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    Moore & Game Management

    A lot of people on here have been quick to criticise Moore when we have drew/lost games recently because of his substitutions. And I've questioned of a few of his subs and some of our game management late on in games.

    However, I thought our subs and GM on Saturday was brilliant. He bought on fresh legs for a tiring Johanson and Murphy who didn't look too interested after he picked up that knock and he reacted to them bringing on Shawcross by bringing on Bartley immediately.

    I thought our game management was great too, holding it in the corner for the final couple of minutes, something we don't do enough of in tight games.

    There are some posters on here who criticise Moore, and perhaps rightly in some cases this season - let's remember he is still learning. Any of you want to give Moore & his team some props for Saturday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBA123 View Post
    A lot of people on here have been quick to criticise Moore when we have drew/lost games recently because of his substitutions. And I've questioned of a few of his subs and some of our game management late on in games.

    However, I thought our subs and GM on Saturday was brilliant. He bought on fresh legs for a tiring Johanson and Murphy who didn't look too interested after he picked up that knock and he reacted to them bringing on Shawcross by bringing on Bartley immediately.

    I thought our game management was great too, holding it in the corner for the final couple of minutes, something we don't do enough of in tight games.

    There are some posters on here who criticise Moore, and perhaps rightly in some cases this season - let's remember he is still learning. Any of you want to give Moore & his team some props for Saturday?

    I agree 123. That said, we have lost a good many points this season because he's "still learning". We all want Big Dave to do well which is the bottom line. I will say with our squad we should be right up there in automatic contention and to offer any new contract prior to promotion is crazy talk! If we don't go up this year, it will be a disaster!

    Also if we go up, any manager should give a tactical blue print including new players who we will need to the Board. So, if we are promoted, then Big Dave should be in contention, but ultimately, there may be a better candidate out there. This happens in any senior job vacancy for us all.

    We must win on Saturday!

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggieal View Post
    I agree 123. That said, we have lost a good many points this season because he's "still learning". We all want Big Dave to do well which is the bottom line. I will say with our squad we should be right up there in automatic contention and to offer any new contract prior to promotion is crazy talk! If we don't go up this year, it will be a disaster!

    Also if we go up, any manager should give a tactical blue print including new players who we will need to the Board. So, if we are promoted, then Big Dave should be in contention, but ultimately, there may be a better candidate out there. This happens in any senior job vacancy for us all.

    We must win on Saturday!
    So we have gained no points because of big Dave only lost them? the fact is until the January window our squad wasn't good enough no right back no pace in midfield , either really young players or players that are past it looking at the dealings in January he has tried to address the inadequacy's in our squad but you can only do what you can with the budget you are given we now have lots of competition because some of our youngsters have been allowed to develop naturally instead of being thrown in at the deep end we also seem to have a fantastic team spirit which we haven't had for a while so in my IMO he has done a good job to get us into contention hopefully with the squad we now have we will be able to push for automatic if not it's the lottery of the play-offs i will be backing him all the way.

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    Everyman and his dog wants BD to do well but his subs for most games have been reactive rather than Pro active.got it right Saturday for once but my biggest fear is should we get promoted we will be in BIG trouble from the off,everyone of BDs loan signings are really failures in the prem including Gayle and cheap option buys that can't make the step up with kids still trying to prove themselves.mr Lai imo has not really backed him sufficiently at all and saw BD as the cheap option

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBA53 View Post
    Everyman and his dog wants BD to do well but his subs for most games have been reactive rather than Pro active.got it right Saturday for once but my biggest fear is should we get promoted we will be in BIG trouble from the off,everyone of BDs loan signings are really failures in the prem including Gayle and cheap option buys that can't make the step up with kids still trying to prove themselves.mr Lai imo has not really backed him sufficiently at all and saw BD as the cheap option
    Did they see Moore as a cheap option or a well respected club employee who could change the culture of the club? who ever had been put in charge would have had a difficult job there was an issue in the dressing room (that he appears to have sorted) also with the budget given loan signings were always going to favoured over permanent signings, some fans keep on saying he hasn't done a good job and we need a more experienced manager yet i haven't seen any names mentioned of a manager that could have done a better job with the budget he has had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltnshake View Post
    Did they see Moore as a cheap option or a well respected club employee who could change the culture of the club? who ever had been put in charge would have had a difficult job there was an issue in the dressing room (that he appears to have sorted) also with the budget given loan signings were always going to favoured over permanent signings, some fans keep on saying he hasn't done a good job and we need a more experienced manager yet i haven't seen any names mentioned of a manager that could have done a better job with the budget he has had.

    Big Dave has done many things well! That said, there have been many mistakes - 3 at the back - formations - selections and subs. Is being fourth fantastic? Not in my eyes, as it's expected where we should be with the squad we have!

    As another poster said - we ALL want Big Dave to do well, but to talk about a new contract at this stage is pure crazy! If we don't go up this year, then we could lose a whole load of players and then the three coming down may be in a better position. Is Big Dave the best man if we get promoted? I would expect a proper recruitment process and look at experience in the Premier League and with somebody who has the technical know how to deal with the top teams. Big Dave would be hugely considered but we have to weigh up the best person for the job. Legends and sentiment should not come into it.

    My view on Big Dave may be more positive when we are stringing together a good run of dominant and composed football ( like Norwich ) and are in the top two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baggieal View Post
    Big Dave has done many things well! That said, there have been many mistakes - 3 at the back - formations - selections and subs. Is being fourth fantastic? Not in my eyes, as it's expected where we should be with the squad we have!

    As another poster said - we ALL want Big Dave to do well, but to talk about a new contract at this stage is pure crazy! If we don't go up this year, then we could lose a whole load of players and then the three coming down may be in a better position. Is Big Dave the best man if we get promoted? I would expect a proper recruitment process and look at experience in the Premier League and with somebody who has the technical know how to deal with the top teams. Big Dave would be hugely considered but we have to weigh up the best person for the job. Legends and sentiment should not come into it.

    My view on Big Dave may be more positive when we are stringing together a good run of dominant and composed football ( like Norwich ) and are in the top two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baggieal View Post
    Big Dave has done many things well! That said, there have been many mistakes - 3 at the back - formations - selections and subs. Is being fourth fantastic? Not in my eyes, as it's expected where we should be with the squad we have!

    As another poster said - we ALL want Big Dave to do well, but to talk about a new contract at this stage is pure crazy! If we don't go up this year, then we could lose a whole load of players and then the three coming down may be in a better position. Is Big Dave the best man if we get promoted? I would expect a proper recruitment process and look at experience in the Premier League and with somebody who has the technical know how to deal with the top teams. Big Dave would be hugely considered but we have to weigh up the best person for the job. Legends and sentiment should not come into it.

    My view on Big Dave may be more positive when we are stringing together a good run of dominant and composed football ( like Norwich ) and are in the top two.
    Did we not beat Man Utd and draw with both Spurs and Liverpool last season with Moore in charge obviously that had nothing to do with him, three at the back was played because we didn't have a right-back and they were trying to find a system that fitted the players we had and that worked to a certain extent, hindsight is a wonderful thing and we can always look at games and say he should have done this and that, i personally think we are to nice and at times need to commit more fouls when we are leading to break to game up, i agree he has made mistakes and i think we over-play in our own half to much but i think some of the criticism he has received is well over the top our last manager was far more experienced than Moore and look at the job he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by saltnshake View Post
    Did we not beat Man Utd and draw with both Spurs and Liverpool last season with Moore in charge obviously that had nothing to do with him, three at the back was played because we didn't have a right-back and they were trying to find a system that fitted the players we had and that worked to a certain extent, hindsight is a wonderful thing and we can always look at games and say he should have done this and that, i personally think we are to nice and at times need to commit more fouls when we are leading to break to game up, i agree he has made mistakes and i think we over-play in our own half to much but i think some of the criticism he has received is well over the top our last manager was far more experienced than Moore and look at the job he did.
    Moore did well last season and he's done OK this season but come on - with our squad we should be in the top six regardless, and without so many mistakes should be in the top two. We have a better squad than Leeds and Norwich but for me, they are where they are, because of tactically very good managers, and yes better than Big Dave.

    I pray we can now go on a good run, and I would be the first to high five Big Dave. Promotion is a must in my eyes!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albionic68 View Post
    Hello Al'.

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    • Quality

    • Getting what you pay for

    • Rafa Benitez

    • Beer

    • Red wine

    • Chips (cheap as)

    • Chinese food

    • Lips (being licked)

    • Lai

    • Runt

    • Yellow

    • Slitty eyes

    • Short arms

    • Deep pockets

    • Little legs

    • JP

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    Turning over a new leaf 68!

    PS - Lai is still a C??? As Blood says - ( a card )

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    Big Dave is doing a good job, and I feel he is learning fast. I do share the concerns if we go up though. Too many Loan signings. I am left with these questions.
    1. How many of those loan signings will/can stay?
    2. Are Loan signings that Prem teams cant put in their first team good enough anyway?
    3. Assuming we cant keep them, Will we splash the cash as Wolves have done?
    4. Although Moore is doing great, will he be out of his depth for a full season in the Prem?
    5. Will we just be cannon fodder for the other teams?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boingy View Post
    Big Dave is doing a good job, and I feel he is learning fast. I do share the concerns if we go up though. Too many Loan signings. I am left with these questions.
    1. How many of those loan signings will/can stay?
    2. Are Loan signings that Prem teams cant put in their first team good enough anyway?
    3. Assuming we cant keep them, Will we splash the cash as Wolves have done?
    4. Although Moore is doing great, will he be out of his depth for a full season in the Prem?
    5. Will we just be cannon fodder for the other teams?

    Boingy - in terms of number 2 - yes! Newcastle supporters say Gayle is a fantastic championship player but not good enough for the Premier League. We did say that about Rondon but they seem to like him!
    3. Will we hell with Lai as the owner!!!
    4. Personally, I think he will. We have a better squad than Leeds or Norwich but they both have better tactically astute managers.
    5. Yes without investment for sure! Ben Foster saved us 10 points where Johnstone has lost us ten points in an inferior division. That's just one example of many!!

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    He is doing a good job IMO - our squad is not the best in terms of depth, better now after the Jan window, but, still not good enough when suspensions and injuries come.

    Good team spirit, nice football to watch, many goals scored, a nice bloke and loyal club servant as head coach, still in there for promotion, better atmosphere in the club - well I can see a few positives. 😎

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    Quote Originally Posted by WBA123 View Post
    A lot of people on here have been quick to criticise Moore when we have drew/lost games recently because of his substitutions. And I've questioned of a few of his subs and some of our game management late on in games.

    However, I thought our subs and GM on Saturday was brilliant. He bought on fresh legs for a tiring Johanson and Murphy who didn't look too interested after he picked up that knock and he reacted to them bringing on Shawcross by bringing on Bartley immediately.

    I thought our game management was great too, holding it in the corner for the final couple of minutes, something we don't do enough of in tight games.

    There are some posters on here who criticise Moore, and perhaps rightly in some cases this season - let's remember he is still learning. Any of you want to give Moore & his team some props for Saturday?
    Agreed 123! 👍

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