o/t now that all the w@nkers are leaving.....

[ragingpup]

The party needs a new leader Grist desperately if it wants to form the next government anytime soon .

I say this as a person who has supported Corbyn from the very beginning but in my opinion his shelf life has expired now and it's time to for him to step down .

The bloke has done some great things for the party in returning it's focus back to fighting the working class corner but it falls short with regard to winning a GE .

We need a leader who can reunite the party and under JC that's unlikely to happen .

There are people within the left and the centre who are both responsible for the rift that exists and just simply won't come together .

Only a new leader can fix this in my opinion .

Tend to agree with this but can't see a convincing new leader that on the one hand can keep the general thrust of the last manifesto (moderate left) whilst speaking broadly to those of more centrist views. I think the real problem that the rebel mps had from day one was the transfer of power from the plp to the members. Makes it more democratic as a party for me but the plp resented having their powers removed. I just don't think the two wings of the party are reconsilible in outlook.

I kind of agree that some of the plp rebels have resorted to quite underhand tactics from day one, with first structured resignations and ongoing use of the anti semitism issue against Corbyn at al. I'm assuming they aren't too thick so as to be unable to distinguish between criticism of Israel policies and genuine anti semitism. There is too much of the latter in labour (mainly idiot entryist trots) as there is with anti Islam in the Conservative party, but the playing of this to try and oust Corbyn has been cynical and incessant.

[Pattylallacks2]

The party needs a new leader Grist desperately if it wants to form the next government anytime soon .

I say this as a person who has supported Corbyn from the very beginning but in my opinion his shelf life has expired now and it's time to for him to step down .

The bloke has done some great things for the party in returning it's focus back to fighting the working class corner but it falls short with regard to winning a GE .

We need a leader who can reunite the party and under JC that's unlikely to happen .

There are people within the left and the centre who are both responsible for the rift that exists and just simply won't come together .

Only a new leader can fix this in my opinion .

The Labour Party Recruitment Team have identified a potential new leader who is currently working in the United States and may soon be a free agent. Other organisations are interested, but the Recruitment Team are hopeful that they may have a done deal by as early as next Thursday. Even if it does not happen during this transfer window the Team are confident that they can get it over the line sooner rather than later. According to the Head of Recruitment the target is a good human being who enjoys communal showering. and has loads of experience. They emphasise that he is not to be confused with his idiot younger brother, who is now strictly non-league.You heard it here first.

[animallittle3]

Tend to agree with this but can't see a convincing new leader that on the one hand can keep the general thrust of the last manifesto (moderate left) whilst speaking broadly to those of more centrist views. I think the real problem that the rebel mps had from day one was the transfer of power from the plp to the members. Makes it more democratic as a party for me but the plp resented having their powers removed. I just don't think the two wings of the party are reconsilible in outlook.

I kind of agree that some of the plp rebels have resorted to quite underhand tactics from day one, with first structured resignations and ongoing use of the anti semitism issue against Corbyn at al. I'm assuming they aren't too thick so as to be unable to distinguish between criticism of Israel policies and genuine anti semitism. There is too much of the latter in labour (mainly idiot entryist trots) as there is with anti Islam in the Conservative party, but the playing of this to try and oust Corbyn has been cynical and incessant.

The irony of course is that the transfer of power came from the time in the parties history when Jeremy Corbyn was no more than a backbencher and virtually irrelevant politically .

I don't necessarily agree with everything Starmer says with regard to brexit , that said how can anyone agree on brexit in any shape or form ?

However as a centre man he seems perfectly capable of working with the left as demonstrated over the last few years .

His credibility is without question and he's not only passionate he's extremely intelligent .

He's the stand out man in my opinion , plain as day , I'm struggling much past Mr Starmer in all honesty .

[animallittle3]

The Labour Party Recruitment Team have identified a potential new leader who is currently working in the United States and may soon be a free agent. Other organisations are interested, but the Recruitment Team are hopeful that they may have a done deal by as early as next Thursday. Even if it does not happen during this transfer window the Team are confident that they can get it over the line sooner rather than later. According to the Head of Recruitment the target is a good human being who enjoys communal showering. and has loads of experience. They emphasise that he is not to be confused with his idiot younger brother, who is now strictly non-league.You heard it here first.

You could make a solid case for David , no doubt about it , he wouldn't get my vote if it was a between him and Starmer but I get why he would appeal to many .

There was always something about the two brothers I didn't like , I was once told the pair of em would stab anybody in the back to further their political careers including each other as it turned out .

The pair of em would engage you in a room whilst looking around it to find someone they felt was more important to speak to .

A little too much Westminster bubble for my liking but that's just my own personal opinion .

[CASPER-64-FRANK]

I might re-join the Labour party.

More chance of the Millers surviving in the Championship this season.

Come back David Miliband or Starmer

[crashbang]

Are you leaving mate

[great_fire]

You're happy that the far right of your own party has a problem with Muslims though?

No-one in the Conservative Party is "far-right"

Unless you're "far-left", in which case they must seem a long way to the right there, try standing in the middle and look again.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

No-one in the Conservative Party is "far-right"

Unless you're "far-left", in which case they must seem a long way to the right there, try standing in the middle and look again.

When you really look at what we’ve got,the Tories are only in power because they are the lesser of the evils. On their own they are a shameful political party, but Labour are worse than them in the eyes of the electorate.

Beyond those two we have a motley collection of snowflakes in the Lib Dems and Greens.

Brexit shows how bad they all really are.

[ragingpup]

When you really look at what we’ve got,the Tories are only in power because they are the lesser of the evils. On their own they are a shameful political party, but Labour are worse than them in the eyes of the electorate.

Beyond those two we have a motley collection of snowflakes in the Lib Dems and Greens.

Brexit shows how bad they all really are.

Fair point Grist. But labour only returned to a more left wing form in 2015. For 30 years before that it was a centrist party. Was it still the lesser of the 2 evils then in your opinion?

In your eyes, is there a party in existence that wouldn't be a lesser evil and might actually a force for the good? If not, what kind of policies would you like to see in a 'good, not evil' (that could be your slogan!) party?

[great_fire]

If Corbyn was to kick out all the middle-class lefties he'd have to kick himself out wouldn't he?

He's not "old Labour" either, he's a Trotskyite and not part of the Labour tradition, Labour were always democratic socialists.