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Thread: O/T Senior Police Chief Slates Tories Record on Dealing with Knife Crime

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    O/T Senior Police Chief Slates Tories Record on Dealing with Knife Crime

    Sara Thornton pulled no punches today in identifying the Conservative's huge failures to tackle knife crime, instead cutting funding to services that could help to prevent the problem escalating:

    “When you have an emergency, you get all the key people around the table to solve the problem, setting up Cobra with a senior minister holding people to account, because it is not just about policing, it’s about all the other agencies and organisation. It’s an emergency and it needs some emergency funding,”

    “We think we need much stronger leadership from government,” she said. “The difficulty is that it is not being properly funded and it doesn’t appear that anybody is really being held to account for that broad strategy.”

    Thornton, a former chief constable of Thames Valley police, said there was no doubt the rise in violence was linked to cuts in police numbers, despite Theresa May’s claims to the contrary.

    “Just look at the facts. There are fewer police officers doing less policing and there is more crime. We know that we are taking longer to get to emergencies, we are arresting fewer people, we are charging fewer people, so I think there is a link and we need to really look at what we can do in terms of policing to stop the violence and the killings now,” she told BBC Breakfast.

    “We need to have more officer hours on the streets. We know what tactics work about targeting hotspots, about using stop and search, about tackling county lines gangs, but we just haven’t got the capacity. We just haven’t got the officers at the moment, so we need some money now to pay for overtime, to pay for mutual aid between forces.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onal-emergency

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Sara Thornton pulled no punches today in identifying the Conservative's huge failures to tackle knife crime, instead cutting funding to services that could help to prevent the problem escalating:

    “When you have an emergency, you get all the key people around the table to solve the problem, setting up Cobra with a senior minister holding people to account, because it is not just about policing, it’s about all the other agencies and organisation. It’s an emergency and it needs some emergency funding,”

    “We think we need much stronger leadership from government,” she said. “The difficulty is that it is not being properly funded and it doesn’t appear that anybody is really being held to account for that broad strategy.”

    Thornton, a former chief constable of Thames Valley police, said there was no doubt the rise in violence was linked to cuts in police numbers, despite Theresa May’s claims to the contrary.

    “Just look at the facts. There are fewer police officers doing less policing and there is more crime. We know that we are taking longer to get to emergencies, we are arresting fewer people, we are charging fewer people, so I think there is a link and we need to really look at what we can do in terms of policing to stop the violence and the killings now,” she told BBC Breakfast.

    “We need to have more officer hours on the streets. We know what tactics work about targeting hotspots, about using stop and search, about tackling county lines gangs, but we just haven’t got the capacity. We just haven’t got the officers at the moment, so we need some money now to pay for overtime, to pay for mutual aid between forces.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...onal-emergency

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    Well a few things

    1. You've used a link to the Guardian, a newspaper ( just about) that's hardly renowned for being unbiased

    2. Yes I think there's a definite link between increase in knife crime and police cuts

    3. I also think that police chief Cressida Dick's poor performance is a direct consequence of fast track promoting police officers because they are female and lesbian and not purely on talent and application.

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    May and also Khan cutting back on stop and search is the main reason, not police cuts.

    And also poor immigration controls, many of these gang members come from war-torn countries where there's zero respect for life.

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    Police numbers have been cut. Its a no brainer for me that it's a major reason for the increase in crime anti social behaviour, people using mobile phones while driving.

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    May and also Khan cutting back on stop and search is the main reason, not police cuts.

    And also poor immigration controls, many of these gang members come from war-torn countries where there's zero respect for life.
    Same old factless rhetoric, tell you what, let's get rid of all the police if the drop in numbers doesn't make a difference, we don't need em do we, in your opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    May and also Khan cutting back on stop and search is the main reason, not police cuts.

    And also poor immigration controls, many of these gang members come from war-torn countries where there's zero respect for life.
    It’s both

    Police numbers are a factor

    Reduction of stop and search is also a factor. The snowflakes whinge that black folks are stopped disproportionately, which is true, but that’s because knife crime is disproportionately high in the black communities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grist_To_The_Mill View Post
    Well a few things

    1. You've used a link to the Guardian, a newspaper ( just about) that's hardly renowned for being unbiased

    2. Yes I think there's a definite link between increase in knife crime and police cuts

    3. I also think that police chief Cressida Dick's poor performance is a direct consequence of fast track promoting police officers because they are female and lesbian and not purely on talent and application.

    1. Lol. About the only national newspaper that isn't right wing (it's Lib Dem or Labour if they're centrist enough). Oh yeah, Mirror, forgot about that one. That offsets the dozen or so explicitly right wing ones – how am I going to get a criticism of Conservative policy from them?!

    2. Yes, there clearly is. But Thornton is also rightly (all we who work with inner city youth know this) pointing out that it is cuts to youth service provisions that is equally, if not more so, important than police numbers. The cuts here are a huge factor.

    3. The comments come from Sara Thornton, not Cressida Dick. What aspects of Dick's performance do you specifically think of as poor and what evidence are you pointing to for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    1. Lol. About the only national newspaper that isn't right wing (it's Lib Dem or Labour if they're centrist enough). Oh yeah, Mirror, forgot about that one. That offsets the dozen or so explicitly right wing ones – how am I going to get a criticism of Conservative policy from them?!

    2. Yes, there clearly is. But Thornton is also rightly (all we who work with inner city youth know this) pointing out that it is cuts to youth service provisions that is equally, if not more so, important than police numbers. The cuts here are a huge factor.

    3. The comments come from Sara Thornton, not Cressida Dick. What aspects of Dick's performance do you specifically think of as poor and what evidence are you pointing to for it?
    Well here’s a starter

    https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/0...-mets-top-job/

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    And another

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c...dick-gc2m72csq

    There’s plenty if you look. She’s seriously out if her depth, but hey ho she ticks a lot of boxes

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    Haha, grist helps about others quoting from the guardian then quotes from the spectator and the times....you couldn't make it up....😂😂🤣

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