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Thread: Farage the Disgrace

  1. #31
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    Farage horrible and despicable individual prays on the gullable. Do as I say not as I do. I hear Farage had a false start on his brexit is brexit walk in Sunderland did all the press stuff and photos then fecked off back to his hotel. The north east climate was not to his taste. Can the passport office speed up the process for his kids to get the German passport he demands and frig off from this country to be with his wife in her native home.

  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by WBA123 View Post
    That's because the blame for this political mess lies directly with Cameron and leave supporting politicians. They promised and stated things which weren't true. You can't blame remain supporting politicians for not wanting to drive us off a cliff, with something there is no mandate for.

    Boris Johnson, Raab, Gove have been directly involved in negotiations. Rees-Mogg has had heavy influence on the government. Farage can't get voted into parliament despite trying to on 7 occasions.

    Agree with you on Labour, their Brexit position is a mess. And agree with you that there are remainers who want us to remain and are campaigning for this. My point is its hypocritical of Farage and any Leaver to state we should respect the result when its clear they wouldn't have in the other circumstances.

    As you've asked; my news sources are the BBC and Sky News. They promote themselves as impartial and generally speaking I think they are. Both right and left wing supporters claim they are biased - especially BBC, but I think they generally are fair and balanced. There are anomalies, Question Time regularly has more Leave support on their panel than Remain for example, but I still think its hard for both organisations to find that balance.

    And I also read research articles published by the BCC, the IFS, the LSE and of course the Govt Dept for Exiting the EU publications. They are all impartial and are transparent with their funding.

    Stay very clear of publications from shady organisations such as IEA, who do not disclose their funding and so we don't know their true motives. They could be funded by the Russian Govt for all we know...

    I don't read print media at all. I find its very agenda driven and distorts basic facts.
    Parliament DOES have a mandate as given to them via the referendum
    I quote from Oxford English Dictionary "mandate meaning: 1. the authority given to an elected group of people, such as a government, to perform an action or govern a country
    The people voted to leave and thus gave parliament a mandate to do just that

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by malamoto View Post
    Parliament DOES have a mandate as given to them via the referendum
    I quote from Oxford English Dictionary "mandate meaning: 1. the authority given to an elected group of people, such as a government, to perform an action or govern a country
    The people voted to leave and thus gave parliament a mandate to do just that
    I understand the Leave campaign won the referendum.

    My point is there are many variations of Leave. Therefore no one form of Leave has a mandate in parliament.

    No one can prove that all 17.4m people voted in favour of a No Deal for instance. Nor can they say that they all voted for Theresa May's deal. Leave supporters disagree themselves whether we should have a Canada++ or Norway style deal or a No deal.

    What we really need are Leave supporting politicians to put an effective and coherent plan together and on the table, which they haven't yet done. This is why we are in a political deadlock right now.

  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by WBA123 View Post
    I understand the Leave campaign won the referendum.

    My point is there are many variations of Leave. Therefore no one form of Leave has a mandate in parliament.

    No one can prove that all 17.4m people voted in favour of a No Deal for instance. Nor can they say that they all voted for Theresa May's deal. Leave supporters disagree themselves whether we should have a Canada++ or Norway style deal or a No deal.

    What we really need are Leave supporting politicians to put an effective and coherent plan together and on the table, which they haven't yet done. This is why we are in a political deadlock right now.
    One thing we can agree on is you have NO understanding of Leave voters.

    The thought that as the 5th biggest economy in the world we could not only survive but thrive is too bonkers for me to comprehend.Handled properly with No Deal as our default position 2 years ago we would be so much better off in every sense of the word.

    Have long do you give it before the EU falls apart?

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