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Thread: Where did it all go wrong - the mistakes

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    Where did it all go wrong - the mistakes

    Iím going to start with :
    - Appointing Kiwomya
    - Not replacing the injured jimmy spencer (his absence that season cost us dear as he was on fire the season before. He got injured pre season and we did nothing to try and replace him
    - Sacking Derry (his budget had been decimated and we ended the season just one win away from staying up - I still think he would have kept us up)
    - Sacking Moniz (at the time I agreed with this but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Looking back he was sacked on the evidence of one result at Salford. Yes we were totally unprepared for that game - but he was a good coach and I think he would have worked out league 2 at the very least given time
    - Fullerton (say no more)

    - this season

    Well letís start with an overweight drunken manager. How did anyone let him get that way ?
    Then the orders to reduce the age of the squad - all well and good but we just brought in lilly lightweights and players we simply did not need : Vaughan, Dennis etc.
    I said last August that we had the most unbalanced squad I have ever known in 40 years of watching notts and that we would be this years Chesterfield. sadly I was right.
    It was right to sack Nolan he had made an embarrassment of himself. Kewell could have been ok I think - but his personality clashed with big al.
    Ardley is a good guy - he looks absolutely broken though and should have taken more time off rather than join this sinking vessel.

    Maybe relegation will be ok - this club needs complete route and branch re construction. New owner , new manager and lots of hungry new players not last pay packet grabbers.

    Iím sure Iíve missed a few things ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjpieman View Post
    I’m going to start with :
    - Appointing Kiwomya
    - Not replacing the injured jimmy spencer (his absence that season cost us dear as he was on fire the season before. He got injured pre season and we did nothing to try and replace him
    - Sacking Derry (his budget had been decimated and we ended the season just one win away from staying up - I still think he would have kept us up)
    - Sacking Moniz (at the time I agreed with this but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Looking back he was sacked on the evidence of one result at Salford. Yes we were totally unprepared for that game - but he was a good coach and I think he would have worked out league 2 at the very least given time
    - Fullerton (say no more)

    - this season

    Well let’s start with an overweight drunken manager. How did anyone let him get that way ?
    Then the orders to reduce the age of the squad - all well and good but we just brought in lilly lightweights and players we simply did not need : Vaughan, Dennis etc.
    I said last August that we had the most unbalanced squad I have ever known in 40 years of watching notts and that we would be this years Chesterfield. sadly I was right.
    It was right to sack Nolan he had made an embarrassment of himself. Kewell could have been ok I think - but his personality clashed with big al.
    Ardley is a good guy - he looks absolutely broken though and should have taken more time off rather than join this sinking vessel.

    Maybe relegation will be ok - this club needs complete route and branch re construction. New owner , new manager and lots of hungry new players not last pay packet grabbers.

    I’m sure I’ve missed a few things ?
    We'll be ok, #faith, #trust, #promotion #5year plan #future england manager #you're in for a treat

    I suspect that anyone who gave him straightforward practical advice was sacked for not being positive enough and so he was only left with those who'd take a pay packet to say "yes sir, three bags full sir".

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    * Not buying Glen Roeder

    * Not going ahead with the monorail

    * Seriously - not keeping Steve Cotterill

    * Seriously - Getting Murphy in

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pietastic View Post
    * Not buying Glen Roeder

    * Not going ahead with the monorail

    * Seriously - not keeping Steve Cotterill

    * Seriously - Getting Murphy in
    Can we go back that far? OK, not getting promoted to the top flight before Forest when we were both in Division 2 in the 70s. The year Forest went up, we were 3rd at Easter but only won 1 of the last 7 games.

    More recently:
    Warnock buying Agana who we didn't need, which just served to annoy Pavis
    Pavis appointing Brazil to replace Allardyce
    Trew costing us momentum after being Champions
    Hardy and Nolan cocking up that Jan transfer window when we were heading for promotion
    Appointing Ardley, the final nail in the coffin

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    Appointing Ardley

    Quote Originally Posted by cjpieman View Post
    Iím going to start with :
    - Appointing Kiwomya
    - Not replacing the injured jimmy spencer (his absence that season cost us dear as he was on fire the season before. He got injured pre season and we did nothing to try and replace him
    - Sacking Derry (his budget had been decimated and we ended the season just one win away from staying up - I still think he would have kept us up)
    - Sacking Moniz (at the time I agreed with this but hindsight is a wonderful thing. Looking back he was sacked on the evidence of one result at Salford. Yes we were totally unprepared for that game - but he was a good coach and I think he would have worked out league 2 at the very least given time
    - Fullerton (say no more)

    - this season

    Well letís start with an overweight drunken manager. How did anyone let him get that way ?
    Then the orders to reduce the age of the squad - all well and good but we just brought in lilly lightweights and players we simply did not need : Vaughan, Dennis etc.
    I said last August that we had the most unbalanced squad I have ever known in 40 years of watching notts and that we would be this years Chesterfield. sadly I was right.
    It was right to sack Nolan he had made an embarrassment of himself. Kewell could have been ok I think - but his personality clashed with big al.
    Ardley is a good guy - he looks absolutely broken though and should have taken more time off rather than join this sinking vessel.

    Maybe relegation will be ok - this club needs complete route and branch re construction. New owner , new manager and lots of hungry new players not last pay packet grabbers.

    Iím sure Iíve missed a few things ?
    The seeds of our downfall were planted a long time ago

    In fact it can be traced back to 1991. When o,riordan was injured first match, and the sale of paul rideout which lead to our relegation from the top flight. Colin slater has mentioned several times that the path the club would have taken , would have been very different if we had stayed up , as the following season the premier league was formed. With all that money he doubts that Notts would have rarely dropped out of the top 2 leagues.

    Namely this season we went wrong appointing Ardley , he may be a good bloke, but is so far out of his depth, and is mostly the entire reason for notts counties demise. Points wise per a game, only worse one was fullarton, as notts counties worst manager in the last 30 years

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    I blame Meindert Dijkstra.....

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    Yeah i do remember Drjkstra- didnt he score an own goal against Derby

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    Yep and itís been almost downhill ever since....

    Still the only way is up!!

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    Yes i hope so , that the only way is up

    They were heady days playing the likes of Derby at home, soon it could be the likes of Dover and Bromley . At least we we saw Notts in the higher divisions, sadly some of the younger supporters probably never will..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy500 View Post
    Yeah i do remember Drjkstra- didnt he score an own goal against Derby
    Remember that night at the Baseball Ground pretty much stopped us getting into the play offs.

    93rd min OG I thought it was bad when we went down under Slade now look at us.

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    It started going wrong the moment Ryan Yates left. Replaced by Hussin and Virtue.
    By the end of last season we were leaking goals, we didn't strengthen and Ben Hall getting injured left us with no cover at all.
    Tootle and Jones fell to pieces, Fitz with a shaky defence in front of him and under pressure after Nolan crushed him couldn't replicate 2017 form.
    We started the season with an awful midfield, Vaughan and Hussin woeful, Hewitt not good enough to hold it together by himself.
    No width or pace, Thomas was useless, Enzio inconsistent, neither helped the full backs.
    Didn't replace Shola , went all season without a No 9, Dennis started injured, had no support and was hung out to dry playing as a lone striker.
    Too many managers, too many players, most not good enough and a chairman who had a personal but public meltdown and bankruptcy.

    All in all not much went right. Hemmings has maintained his form but injuries have hampered him and Milsom having been released has come back and arguably been player of the season as he was two seasons ago. Makes you wonder why he was frozen out second half of 17/18 season when he had plenty still to give and that in itself tells a story.
    Utter mess and terrifyingly there's nothing to suggest we've yet hit rock bottom.

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    Blimey - I wasnít going back that far but that season we were relegated and missed the premiership really was our miss of all time. There were many factors some have been mentioned - but itís curious that warnock never has made a success of the top division. Heís a genius at what he does to get teams promoted but either he lacks the belief to sustain it in the top division or is just dealt a poor hand with finances with the clubs he gets there ?
    It must play on his mind - it has this year and he was almost saying Cardiff would get relegated even before a ball was kicked.

    Oh and I never saw my Glenn roeder tenner ever again either.

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    Looking at us now its unrecognisable

    Quote Originally Posted by legs77 View Post
    Remember that night at the Baseball Ground pretty much stopped us getting into the play offs.

    93rd min OG I thought it was bad when we went down under Slade now look at us.
    I Remember when we were relegated and a commentator on television saying- nowhere were the storm clouds darker than at meadow lane

    Well he was right, I thought we would soon bounce back, but we only fell further

    God i will be an old man if we ever return

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    Sacking Craig Short is the start of this debacle............

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    Quote Originally Posted by LesBradd4England View Post
    Appointing Craig Short is the start of this debacle............
    Corrected that for you, that must have been what you meant

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    Sacking Moniz

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    For me the worst mistake this season was sacking Kewell - his thoughts on the squad should have respected and then have licence to take an axe to it. How arrogant Hardy seems looking back when he said "I hate to take this away from him' as if he was a child with a toy.

    Then, at the risk of sounding like a broken record, there's the 4-year long mistake of allowing Stead to lead our attack. I've said many times that the strange loyalty of fans and new managers picking him would have us relegated. Some disagree, but I'll always believe that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by optipez View Post
    It started going wrong the moment Ryan Yates left. Replaced by Hussin and Virtue.
    By the end of last season we were leaking goals, we didn't strengthen and Ben Hall getting injured left us with no cover at all.
    Tootle and Jones fell to pieces, Fitz with a shaky defence in front of him and under pressure after Nolan crushed him couldn't replicate 2017 form.
    We started the season with an awful midfield, Vaughan and Hussin woeful, Hewitt not good enough to hold it together by himself.
    No width or pace, Thomas was useless, Enzio inconsistent, neither helped the full backs.
    Didn't replace Shola , went all season without a No 9, Dennis started injured, had no support and was hung out to dry playing as a lone striker.
    Too many managers, too many players, most not good enough and a chairman who had a personal but public meltdown and bankruptcy.

    All in all not much went right. Hemmings has maintained his form but injuries have hampered him and Milsom having been released has come back and arguably been player of the season as he was two seasons ago. Makes you wonder why he was frozen out second half of 17/18 season when he had plenty still to give and that in itself tells a story.
    Utter mess and terrifyingly there's nothing to suggest we've yet hit rock bottom.
    Totally agree with this. It's tempting to go back decades, but our current disaster really only needs to be traced back to Jan last year - a disastrous transfer window that totally took the wind out of our sales. If we'd kept Yates and strengthened the team, we'd have gone up in automatic.

    Then followed an even more disastrous summer, where we threw the baby out with the bath water and tried to rebuild a team that just needed tweaking. I've said it many times, but we just needed to retain Collin, O'Connor, and even Forte (squad player), replace Shola with a decent target man (Akinde), find a midfield general to do the Yates role, and a quality centre back. Really you're looking at 3 major signings, plus a squad players or loans to fill the ranks. Instead we took a scattergun approach and signed anyone who played well against us, with zero thought behind how they'd work together. It was like someone playing Championship Manager 20 years ago.

    Then, of course, there was Nolan and his apparent decline outside of work. Typical of Notts to finally find a decent young manager and then for him to lose his head. Such a shame. We had so much going for us under him - until it all went wrong, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davy500 View Post
    I Remember when we were relegated and a commentator on television saying- nowhere were the storm clouds darker than at meadow lane

    Well he was right, I thought we would soon bounce back, but we only fell further

    God i will be an old man if we ever return
    I only seen us for one season in the top flight I wasn't old enough to go to games when Jimmy / Howard were manager but I have seen top flight teams here.

    I had a spell when younger that I thought we were a championship team as its now known but as you get older you realise you are owed nothing and we are getting what we deserve.

    My favourite season even though we didn't win anything was without doubt the Mick Walker season it was how I imagine Newcastle fans felt watching Keegan as manager couldn't set the defence up well but you were entertained, a year after his sacking I had to watch Colin Murphy as manager he was a prize A berk he did sign Finnan and Ward though !

    I accepted a while back we will go down we need Hardy to go and hopefully an owner who has a proper plan not a fantasy one and hopefully not Smurf as that rumour isn't going away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by legs77 View Post
    Remember that night at the Baseball Ground pretty much stopped us getting into the play offs.

    93rd min OG I thought it was bad when we went down under Slade now look at us.
    Bloody hell I had forgot all about that game,was Forest in the same league as I can remember Forest fans coming up to me in the pub afterwards saying that they was gutted with the goal

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