Loan managers

[Returnofrros]

Is this a concept in any country?

Ken like bigger clubs in Scotland, )thinking specifically of Stein and Billy McNeil) wud tell guys to go "learn their trade" b4 being considered I wonder why bigger clubs don't loan out managers like they do players.

Instead of bugger off and learn your trade they actually pay the wages of any highly thought of potential future manager to go another club.....couple of years with the youths, a couple with reserves then a year or two oot on loan.

Imagine Mcpake having spent a year or two at Brechin or Berwick or something he would be a much more appealing prospect.

Instead this annual or every couple of years search for a manager you have a wee conveyer belt.

The manager is the single most important role at any club but it seems to be such a hap hazard way of appointing that hasn't changed since the year dot.

[BCram]

Is this a concept in any country?

Ken like bigger clubs in Scotland, )thinking specifically of Stein and Billy McNeil) wud tell guys to go "learn their trade" b4 being considered I wonder why bigger clubs don't loan out managers like they do players.

Instead of bugger off and learn your trade they actually pay the wages of any highly thought of potential future manager to go another club.....couple of years with the youths, a couple with reserves then a year or two oot on loan.

Imagine Mcpake having spent a year or two at Brechin or Berwick or something he would be a much more appealing prospect.

Instead this annual or every couple of years search for a manager you have a wee conveyer belt.

The manager is the single most important role at any club but it seems to be such a hap hazard way of appointing that hasn't changed since the year dot.

Just noticed this thread. Seems that there might be merit in at least looking to train McPake, for example. It seems to me that the problem in Scotland is that the Largs? coaching centre is not really stretching and expanding the training skills of the younger coaches. If you look at Hartley and McCann they both seemed to me to be very limited in their range of playing options. You could interpret their stubbornness to play either a narrow formation or a "pass it out from the back" system on a limited level of coaching that they had received. They needed to pass their badges and perhaps, rather like the way teachers have been criticised recently, they were taught to pass the test. This might have limited the number of options they were given about what to consider when choosing players and tactics.

Maybe a loan deal, where we send McPake, or whoever, to a top club, definitely not one in Scotland, might be a really smart thing to do. The worry might be that the skill levels and playing conditions at the host club might be so much higher that what might be learned while on secondment would not be capable of being applied to the Dee players.

On another tack, but possibly related, did anyone get to the bottom of why Cathro was such a disappointment at Hearts, is he still involved with football, by the way?

[BCram]

Bump!

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think cathro was affected by possibly 2 things bcram,he rubbed shoulders and was highly thought of by world known coaches,so myb he thought he could run b4 he could walk but avril sitting in the stand sending notes telling him what to do,and accepting it prob did the most damage

[BCram]

think cathro was affected by possibly 2 things bcram,he rubbed shoulders and was highly thought of by world known coaches,so myb he thought he could run b4 he could walk but avril sitting in the stand sending notes telling him what to do,and accepting it prob did the most damage

OK, how about sending McPake "on loan" to a top club down south or in Europe. It need not be for a year, just long enough to get him pumped full of new ideas. It would be great for him, show him that he is being given a real training rather than the learn on the job stuff, and it might be a whole lot better for our club in the medium term. It would also help with finding an alternative to making him manager, I think it's too soon for a novice manager who has to build a team virtually from scratch, or the alternative DOF scenario, that didn't seem to work too well for Hearts, Cathro and Avril.