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Thread: Is Boltons failure to fulfill the fixture going to go unpunished ?

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    Is Boltons failure to fulfill the fixture going to go unpunished ?

    Appreciate they were deducted 12 points for going into admin but it looks like EFL have bottled it, again, re the Brentford fixture

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    FFS leave them alone,sick to death hearing about Bolton, their fans will be hurting.

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    They’ll probably get a - point deduction on top of the twelve, no point fining them is there

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    Quote Originally Posted by BramleyMiller58 View Post
    Appreciate they were deducted 12 points for going into admin but it looks like EFL have bottled it, again, re the Brentford fixture
    What leads you to believe there will be no further action?
    Has something been released or are you assuming that nothing further will happen because of the delay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinkly View Post
    What leads you to believe there will be no further action?
    Has something been released or are you assuming that nothing further will happen because of the delay?
    Based on the delay it's an assumption

    Took them around 5 milliseconds to deduct us the 3 points following the Farad Rawson c*ck up

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    Quote Originally Posted by BramleyMiller58 View Post
    Based on the delay it's an assumption

    Took them around 5 milliseconds to deduct us the 3 points following the Farad Rawson c*ck up
    Bramley, spot on!

    It’s ok saying leave them alone etc. We were in the news all the time when we went belly up so, why shouldn’t the Bolton debacle still be raised
    for something that hasn’t been finalised/dealt with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BramleyMiller58 View Post
    Based on the delay it's an assumption

    Took them around 5 milliseconds to deduct us the 3 points following the Farad Rawson c*ck up
    So in that respect the deduction should have happened as soon as the offence occurred and the EFL should really deduct the points from their end of sesaon total and whether it's 3 or 300 won't really matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMiller View Post
    So in that respect the deduction should have happened as soon as the offence occurred and the EFL should really deduct the points from their end of sesaon total and whether it's 3 or 300 won't really matter.
    Not as soon as due to the fact they were already down therefore no impact on the season

    As per the Grand Old Duke of York we were neither up nor down so were punished immediatley

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    Quote Originally Posted by BramleyMiller58 View Post
    Not as soon as due to the fact they were already down therefore no impact on the season

    As per the Grand Old Duke of York we were neither up nor down so were punished immediatley
    My memory is not what it was but I do seem to remember at the time we pushed the EFL to make their decision quickly so we would know where we stood and as it was cut and dried (e.g. we forgot to register him in time) they were able to do that. Would have been worse for them to dither, us to end up the season safe by 2pts and then have 3 deducted at the end.

    The Bolton case seems pretty cut and dried, fail to fulfill a fixture = immediate X pts deduction. Not always so simple though if not playing a game has an impact on the other team's chances of promotion or relegation. This time around with Brentford it didn't but that might not always be the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CAMiller View Post
    My memory is not what it was but I do seem to remember at the time we pushed the EFL to make their decision quickly so we would know where we stood and as it was cut and dried (e.g. we forgot to register him in time) they were able to do that. Would have been worse for them to dither, us to end up the season safe by 2pts and then have 3 deducted at the end.

    The Bolton case seems pretty cut and dried, fail to fulfill a fixture = immediate X pts deduction. Not always so simple though if not playing a game has an impact on the other team's chances of promotion or relegation. This time around with Brentford it didn't but that might not always be the case.
    Just googled it and you're right
    Game was on 6th April, points were deducted 24th April leaving us one point above the drop zone
    The 1-1 draw with Norwich and 2-1 victory against Reading were enough to preserve Championship status

    Cue Evans and Sombrero at Bellend Road

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    Quote Originally Posted by BramleyMiller58 View Post
    Based on the delay it's an assumption

    Took them around 5 milliseconds to deduct us the 3 points following the Farad Rawson c*ck up
    The penalty for an 'insolvency event' is automatic - a 12 point deduction - and was imposed upon Bolton as soon as such an event occurred, despite all the whittling on here about how they would not be penalised. Failing to fulfil a fixture is a misconduct matter and so has to be referred to the EFL disciplinary committee who have a range of penalties open to them. The matter will be dealt with as soon as the disciplinary committee can be convened and Bolton get their case together (if they have one).

    Bolton will be liable to compensate Brentford for any loss they incurred.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    The penalty for an 'insolvency event' is automatic - a 12 point deduction - and was imposed upon Bolton as soon as such an event occurred, despite all the whittling on here about how they would not be penalised. Failing to fulfil a fixture is a misconduct matter and so has to be referred to the EFL disciplinary committee who have a range of penalties open to them. The matter will be dealt with as soon as the disciplinary committee can be convened and Bolton get their case together (if they have one).

    Bolton will be liable to compensate Brentford for any loss they incurred.
    You can bet that if Brentford getting/not getting 3pts from the game impacted the playoff positions then the EFL finger would have been removed from the EFL ar.se much quicker

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    You may well be right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BramleyMiller58 View Post
    Appreciate they were deducted 12 points for going into admin but it looks like EFL have bottled it, again, re the Brentford fixture
    What is it you think the EFL should do to Bolton over the unfulfilled game? I thought Brentford got the points straight away.

    They were relegated and are potless. What other sanctions exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    What is it you think the EFL should do to Bolton over the unfulfilled game? I thought Brentford got the points straight away.

    They were relegated and are potless. What other sanctions exist?
    I think that a further points deduction is likely

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    What is it you think the EFL should do to Bolton over the unfulfilled game? I thought Brentford got the points straight away.

    They were relegated and are potless. What other sanctions exist?
    The EFL at the time when we were deducted points seemed happy to give Luton Town a punishment that they were never going to be able to keep their status in the league, Bournemouth and us were in a better position but the contracts that were signed to give us a fighting chance were very expensive.

    I want the owners of Bolton to be made an example of which unfortunately for the club. What these owners who put their clubs into such hardship isn't what we fans look for. Us fans want our teams to be successful on the pitch but without a sound footing it doesn't work. More and more clubs will have to suffer what we have, what Bournemouth, Luton and all the other clubs that go into administration for there to be a constant reminder to the fly by night owners who gamble community clubs for their own gratification.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frogmiller View Post
    The EFL at the time when we were deducted points seemed happy to give Luton Town a punishment that they were never going to be able to keep their status in the league, Bournemouth and us were in a better position but the contracts that were signed to give us a fighting chance were very expensive.

    I want the owners of Bolton to be made an example of which unfortunately for the club. What these owners who put their clubs into such hardship isn't what we fans look for. Us fans want our teams to be successful on the pitch but without a sound footing it doesn't work. More and more clubs will have to suffer what we have, what Bournemouth, Luton and all the other clubs that go into administration for there to be a constant reminder to the fly by night owners who gamble community clubs for their own gratification.
    Yet some on here want them punished more & more short memories.Its like been back at school,please Sir I got done for that & Billy’s just done the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wrinkly View Post
    I think that a further points deduction is likely
    Unfulfilled fixture. The points deduction has to be in the season it occurred. They could dock them any number of points. It would make no difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    Unfulfilled fixture. The points deduction has to be in the season it occurred. They could dock them any number of points. It would make no difference.
    Do you have any evidence of that? If so fair enough. If it's just speculation I certainly wouldn't bet on it.
    Points deduction for admin doesn't necessarily happen in the season that admin occurs. I would be very surprised if the EFL can't increase the points deduction for next season.

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    I should add that I know the admin and the unfulfilled fixture are not the same offence. I am just giving an example of an offence in one season giving rise to a penalty in the following season

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