Tedious Transfer Talk...

[sinkov]

sinkov-- surely BT, with his political leanings and concern for people and ecology will not have oil on his drive ----surely he will be using electric vehicles --won't he?

Not all Sub, BT is your typical champagne socialist, he drives to Labour Party meetings, where they bemoan the iniquities of the capitalist system, in his brand new BMW. He can though get plenty of tins of beans in the boot when he makes his weekly deliveries to Bolton's numerous foodbanks. Unlike us Sub, he cares you see.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Not all Sub, BT is your typical champagne socialist, he drives to Labour Party meetings, where they bemoan the iniquities of the capitalist system, in his brand new BMW. He can though get plenty of tins of beans in the boot when he makes his weekly deliveries to Bolton's numerous foodbanks. Unlike us Sub, he cares you see.

If your beloved Maggie had left the working class alone we would all be driving brand new British made vehicles now sinkov.

[Supersub6]

If your beloved Maggie had left the working class alone we would all be driving brand new British made vehicles now sinkov.

BT --I thought that you were politically astute, however, the above statement has raised many doubts. The British car industry, along with many others, had been on a downward spiral for quite some time before Maggie got involved, in fact, it is debatable whether we would have had any car industry at all within a few years of the end of the 1970s.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

BT --I thought that you were politically astute, however, the above statement has raised many doubts. The British car industry, along with many others, had been on a downward spiral for quite some time before Maggie got involved, in fact, it is debatable whether we would have had any car industry at all within a few years of the end of the 1970s.

You have obviously never driven an Austin Metro or an Austin Maestro sinkov

[sinkov]

If your beloved Maggie had left the working class alone we would all be driving brand new British made vehicles now sinkov.

One thing is for certain BT, if the Iron Lady had been PM instead of the hapless, hopeless, useless Theresa, we would have been out of the EU by now and NO MISTAKE.

My god, how this country could do with a leader like her now, the Unions, the wets in her cabinet, the Labour Party, Galtieri, Scargill, she saw them all off, Barnier and Juncker wouldn't have had a chance, she'd have sucked them in and blown them out in bubbles. She is oh so sorely missed.

[alfinyalcabo]

Alf knows that, in spite of all your left-wing posturing, you are a closet Green at heart, therefore, he was doing his bit to ensure that you remained green ----one way or another!

Yes Ashy,just encouraging him to get out in the garden..

[1959_60]

One thing is for certain BT, if the Iron Lady had been PM instead of the hapless, hopeless, useless Theresa, we would have been out of the EU by now and NO MISTAKE.

My god, how this country could do with a leader like her now, the Unions, the wets in her cabinet, the Labour Party, Galtieri, Scargill, she saw them all off, Barnier and Juncker wouldn't have had a chance, she'd have sucked them in and blown them out in bubbles. She is oh so sorely missed.

Revisionism there Sinkov.

She was fully signed up to a more integrated Europe - she told us of the massive opportunities that Europe gave to our trading companies and she was bang on.

She was one of the main architects of the single market and the Euro.

Without doubt she would have been a remainer.

[sinkov]

We've been here before 59, she saw the economic advantages but would not have countenanced the grand political European superstate project, that is so self-evident it's not even worth arguing about. But put that to one side, if she was PM of a government that had promised to act on the result of the referendum, and Barnier and the EU had treated her country and it's people with the sheer contempt, arrogance intransigence and small-mindedness they have displayed, it wouldn't have been a swing of the handbag, she'd have been over the table and going for their throats.

And I can't imagine her contempt and scorn for any party or politician who thought the referendum result should be overturned, just because they didn't like the result. For once in her life I expect she would have been speechless, it would have been beyond her comprehension, as it is beyond mine.

[1959_60]

Couple of articles here Sinkov;

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/margaret-thatc...n-integration/

https://www.dw.com/en/would-margaret...xit/a-43252699

And her Bruges speech (1988) here;

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107332

Make of it what you will. But in my opinion she helped to forge the EU into what it is today and no way would she want us to leave.

[Supersub6]

59_60 --- articles written giving an opinion on what happened 30+years ago, however, none of us can say exactly what Mrs T would have done --it is all speculation.
You can't say that she would not have wanted us to leave because she could well have changed her mind about things which have happened in the last 30 years.

sinkov could well be correct that she would have gone with the will of the people and I am sure that she would have fought her corner because she shied away from nothing.
However, it is still all speculation because she is no longer with us and has not been in a situation of power for many, many years.

Those who have held the position of PM since she was defeated have never shown true leadership qualities and have committed the country to lots of things both legally and illegally and have got away with it.