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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    You're in the Student Union Bar with the activists again BT. Realpolitik says, if you're patrolling a border with armed soldiers or gunships, it's your border.
    Hitler did the same in Russia, Poland and Hungary along with a whole lot of other countries. What's next for Israel, Syria perhaps or Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Hitler did the same in Russia, Poland and Hungary along with a whole lot of other countries. What's next for Israel, Syria perhaps or Egypt, Jordan and Lebanon?
    No, if there is going to be a problem for Israel, Iran is the likeliest source, but the Donald has taken them in hand, the security situation in the Middle East, with Putin and Trump running the show, is healthier than it has been for years.

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    'Israel makes the deserts bloom,the people in Gaza destroy the land.'

    Breaking news:
    A fire started this afternoon near the community of Be'eri that neighbors the Gaza border, after a firebomb launched from the Strip landed in a wooded area.
    Fire fighting forces were called to the scene

    For a year, Gaza protesters have launched hundreds of incendiary kites and balloons into Israel, sparking fires that have destroyed forests, burned crops, and killed livestock. Over 7,000 acres of land have been burned, causing millions of shekels in damages, according to Israeli officials. Some balloons have carried improvised explosive devices. Burning kites from Gaza cause widespread damage to Israeli fields. Flammable kites from Gaza set Israeli fields and forests ablaze.
    Israel says that Hamas has orchestrated the protests as cover for border attacks which have included bombs, grenades, Molotov cocktails, shootings, and breaches of the boundary fence.

    Fire Damage to Israeli Agriculture Near Gaza Border Estimated at $1.4m and Rising

    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...1-4m-1.6140094

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    .....and yes the E U creates a new Palestinian village and it's all under 'Humanitarian aid',with the added line ....its an old village!

    https://youtu.be/wQ_F_4d_JkE


    The Palestinian Authority, aided by the European Union, is taking control of a strategic area in the heart of the Etzion Bloc, between Highway 60 and Neveh Daniel. Over the past two years, the P.A. has created, out of thin air, a “historic” village—that just so happens to be located on a strategic point adjacent to the Jerusalem-Hebron highway. The name given to this new “ancient” village: Shoshkhalah.

    “Over the course of the past two years, activists from the Arab town of Al Khader, backed by P.A. and European Union funding, occupied the ruins of two ancient shomerot (watchman’s huts)—primitive stone structures used by passing shepherds or farmers as shelter from the elements—that dot the landscape in the Jerusalem and Sataf areas. They renovated these abandoned structures and turned them into homes—and from that point, in very short order, totally new structures have been added in the surrounding area.”

    The signs posted on the refurbished buildings, proudly bearing the European Union emblem, explain that the site is an ancient village—Shoshkhalah—despite the fact that aerial photos paint a completely different picture: In the past two years, more than 15 homes have been built in this “village,” each connected to solar power infrastructure and water tanks paid for by the Europeans.
    Analysis of aerial photos from 1967, as well as historic maps dating back to 1880, prove that there was never any settlement of any kind at the site.

    “This is another phase in the P.A.-European Union program to seize control over strategic areas,” says Hemo. “We are all too familiar with the program—from illegal construction in the Adumim Region, from land grabs and highly developed construction projects on Israel Defense Forces training grounds in the Hebron Hills and Gush Etzion, and from the extensive agricultural work that the P.A. is carrying out as a means of securing ownership rights to tens of thousands of dunams that have been illegally seized for Roots Project activity.

    “The ‘ancient village’ of Shoshkhalah is just one more example of the fact that there is no such thing as a vacuum. When the State of Israel fails to regulate and register land in Judea and Samaria, the P.A. takes advantage of the opportunity to seize this land and annex it, de facto, to its jurisdiction.”

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    Israel cuts back on fishing zone for Gazans. Yesterday.

    ''They don't learn!!

    Israel announced Tuesday it was cutting back the permitted fishing zone for Gaza fishermen to 10 nautical miles down from 15 in response to the fire-bombs sent across the border from Gaza to Israeli fields and communities in recent days

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    Israel cuts back on fishing zone for Gazans. Yesterday.

    ''They don't learn!!

    Israel announced Tuesday it was cutting back the permitted fishing zone for Gaza fishermen to 10 nautical miles down from 15 in response to the fire-bombs sent across the border from Gaza to Israeli fields and communities in recent days
    So much for ameliorating the deterioration in humanitarian conditions in the Palestinian enclave.

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    Britain will donate $ 2 million to the health system in Gaza.

    British Minister for Near East Affairs Andrew Morrison says Britain will donate $ 2 million to the World Health Organization.

    According to him, the donation is intended to strengthen the health system in the Gaza Strip.

    .....money just thrown away !!!! .....Well, it's not thrown away it goes to their war effort!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    Britain will donate $ 2 million to the health system in Gaza.

    British Minister for Near East Affairs Andrew Morrison says Britain will donate $ 2 million to the World Health Organization.

    According to him, the donation is intended to strengthen the health system in the Gaza Strip.

    .....money just thrown away !!!! .....Well, it's not thrown away it goes to their war effort!
    That's my money literally going up in smoke Balan, I do not fund these Islamist fanatics gladly or willingly. If Sir Nigel promises a cut back on foreign aid then I may well end up voting for the Brexit Party in a GE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    That's my money literally going up in smoke Balan, I do not fund these Islamist fanatics gladly or willingly. If Sir Nigel promises a cut back on foreign aid then I may well end up voting for the Brexit Party in a GE.
    Yep! These Islamist fanatics are very troublesome...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Yep! These Islamist fanatics are very troublesome...

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    They don't trouble me much BT, virtue-signalling morons shovelling my tax contributions in their direction I can do nothing about, so I don't lose any sleep over that either. i But if I was a citizen of say Gaza, I would be troubled, mightily troubled, about what these holy warriors are going to dream up next, in order to provoke Israel into raining death and destruction down on my and my children's heads.
    To be honest though, troubled isn't the right word, kacking my pants would be a more appropriate description of what it must feel like to have Hamas responsible for my family's safety and welfare.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    They don't trouble me much BT, virtue-signalling morons shovelling my tax contributions in their direction I can do nothing about, so I don't lose any sleep over that either. i But if I was a citizen of say Gaza, I would be troubled, mightily troubled, about what these holy warriors are going to dream up next, in order to provoke Israel into raining death and destruction down on my and my children's heads.
    To be honest though, troubled isn't the right word, kacking my pants would be a more appropriate description of what it must feel like to have Hamas responsible for my family's safety and welfare.
    Stuck between a rock and a hard place eh sinkov? Meanwhile the kids continue to suffer.

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    We've been here before BT, I've outlined my peace plan to ameliorate the plight of the Palestinian children but as yet Hamas has not responded.

    1) Keep your children well away from the border.
    2) Stop firing missiles into Israel.
    3) Inform the USA, the EU, Russia and the UN that you wish to begin negotiating a peaceful resolution to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.

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    These bewildered extremist fired like 600 rockets from Gaza into Israel,in 2 days ,maybe some landed in Gaza itself. In S'derot which is a mile away you have about 15 secs to find an air raid shelter ,or similar.I was there in 2009, air raid shelters already were built then.
    When parents hear the sirens ,it's grab your kids quickly as possible,or to sleep every night in the shelters.

    One woman in my village (a kibutz ) comes from a kibutz in the Jordan valley ,she told me all her childhood was spent in an air raid shelter.

    Here are photos I took after a Katyusha rocket had fallen ,and I tried to take it out of the ground,a souvenir! Impossible to budge it ,and that ground was not soil but rock or stones.

    You can see the resulting damage.

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    Meanwhile the Nakba continues.

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    Meanwhile the kids continue to suffer. ( Israelandstuffcom | May 20, 2019 )

    Can you believe all those lies? Do you think in Gaza they tell the truth?

    Starting with Palestinian media, then picked up by Quds News Network, Al Jazeera (AJ+) then spread through social media, the story that Aisha a-Lulu, 5, of Gaza had died of cancer ‘alone’ and prevented from being accompanied by her parents was completely debunked as ‘just another lie’ to demonize Israel.

    “Contrary to reports, Aisha a-Lulu passed away in the Gaza Strip after having returned to her home approximately two weeks ago after surgery, which unfortunately did not succeed in the Al-Maqasid Hospital [in Jerusalem].”

    Other news outlets, such as the Palestinian news agency WAFA, reported that a-Lulu had died in Gaza, but said that Israel had prevented her parents from accompanying her to Jerusalem for treatment.

    According to WAFA, Minister of Health Mai Alkaila told reporters “How can a little child travel alone through Israeli checkpoints without being escorted by her mother, father or brother to provide her with affection and psychological support during treatment?”

    “We emphasize that CLA Gaza policy requires parents to escort their minor children for medical treatments, based on the understanding that children need their parents in moments such as these.

    “However, in this case, Aisha’s parents did not wish to accompany her and therefore, in accordance with CLA policy, they were requested to sign a declaration that they choose not to escort their daughter during the course of her treatment, due to their own choice, and request that another party on their behalf escort her,” COGAT said.

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    Don’t blindly accept ‘facts’ provided by the parties involved

    The best journalists are fearless, independent voices, who refuse to act as the mouthpiece of any cause or interest. Unfortunately, it’s not always easy to meet this noble principle when reporting from this war-torn corner of the world.

    It’s beyond the scope of most reporters in Israel or Gaza to independently confirm whether those killed in a given incident really were the casualties of Israeli attacks, as Gazan sources might (initially) claim, as opposed to an instance of a Hamas or Islamic Jihad rocket which fell short and killed Gazans.

    At the very least, however, reporters in Israel should make clear what each side is claiming, rather than blindly repeating the assertions statistics provided by one side alone. This also includes the statistics provided by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health about the number of civilians and terrorists killed. It’s not enough for reporters in Israel or Gaza to “cite” Palestinian health sources, UN agencies, or NGOs as their sources — journalists must make clear to readers that the figures should be treated with a dose of skepticism.

    With the Ministry run by Hamas officials, it is not an independent body in the same way that the health ministry of a democratic state is. Similarly, a source from one side alone is not enough. journalists should make sure to include Israeli estimates, especially if they are later confirmed by the Palestinians.

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    You can see where BT is coming from on this issue Balan,

    "Equality and Human Rights Commission launch formal investigation into Labour Party anti-Semitism"

    Down in the gutter with the BNP, why any decent person wants to be involved with such an organisation beats me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    We've been here before BT, I've outlined my peace plan to ameliorate the plight of the Palestinian children but as yet Hamas has not responded.

    1) Keep your children well away from the border.
    2) Stop firing missiles into Israel.
    3) Inform the USA, the EU, Russia and the UN that you wish to begin negotiating a peaceful resolution to the Palestinian/Israeli conflict.
    In the meantime over 1.4 million Palestine refugees are currently living in Gaza. The Israeli blockade and severe restrictions on the movement of people and goods have left the economy in shambles and unemployment is unprecedented.

    Most of the Gaza residents are barred from leaving Gaza in search of employment, as a consequence the destitute Palestine refugees must rely on support from foreign aid to meet their daily needs.

    Over 80% of people living in Gaza need humanitarian assistance and over one million people rely on emergency food assistance as their main source of food.

    Thank God at least someone in the British Government actually gives a toss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    In the meantime over 1.4 million Palestine refugees are currently living in Gaza. The Israeli blockade and severe restrictions on the movement of people and goods have left the economy in shambles and unemployment is unprecedented.

    Most of the Gaza residents are barred from leaving Gaza in search of employment, as a consequence the destitute Palestine refugees must rely on support from foreign aid to meet their daily needs.

    Over 80% of people living in Gaza need humanitarian assistance and over one million people rely on emergency food assistance as their main source of food.

    Thank God at least someone in the British Government actually gives a toss.
    Absolutely shocking BT, and what is Hamas doing to ameliorate the appalling conditions these people exist under ? Apart from firing the occasional rocket indiscriminately over the border into Israel ? Or maybe I'm missing something here, and these missiles do help the 1.4 million Palestinian refugees in Gaza ? You would know BT, what is it I'm missing, just how do they ameliorate the conditions of these destitute refugees ?

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    BT : ''I will never understand your position on this in a hundred years !!'

    Reality says,as you pointed out ,''Over 80% of people living in Gaza need humanitarian assistance and over one million people rely on emergency food assistance as their main source of food.''

    After all the donations come in to them ,from all over the world ,its clear the Hamas leadership cares phoock all about its people, shoite all, in fact, plus they do nothing to advance the poverty situation, (if there is poverty !), therefore your wads of cash only go to help their war effort and delays any peace agreement in the future.

    Latest:
    Islamic Jihad leader Ziad Nahala told Hezbollah's al-Manar TV that Palestinian factions in Gaza can launch a thousand rockets a day at Israel for a full month. He also revealed that they have half-ton warheads.
    So please send your money to those 'hardpressed Palestinians'.

    Listen to a very wise Golda Meir speaking about the Palestinian identity. ( from 1970 ).

    https://youtu.be/I9M91iwP994

    ''The quarrel with the Arabs is not over a piece of land, its not for territory,it's not for anything concrete,they just refuse to believe that we have the right to exist at all''. ( Golda Meir ).

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