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    The last time we were promoted we then finished 3rd in the Premier League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    You think we'd get promoted then not sign any players? Surely no one thinks that. 🤔
    Exactly.

    We'd have had the whole closed season to prepare for life in the top league. Hearts signed near enough a whole team last season and finished in the top 6 and were Scottish Cup finalists so it can happen.

    Surely when we make it back our first priority is to stay up. No way we should be thinking top 6, although that would be acceptable

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    we finished 3rd.....we then fell away to constant bottom end finishes. The foundations have to be built properly, we need to get our youth system and the player conveyor belt put in place again . This was systematically destroyed by our previous owner trying to recover his families investment which has set our club back years. Our club is recovering from a period of being mismanaged and is needing to repair itself in every department so that it can prosper. I like the vision of the new owner and think that he is trying to put all these things into place. We had become a basket case club under Thompson and needed fully cleansed.....we had tried to paper over the cracks each season but with no success. As much as I would have loved to have been promoted this season, I will take another season in the championship if it means that the club has a better chance of prospering in the long term. We are very much a work in progress. I have faith that next season we will see a different dundee united and will be in a position to push on.

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    Just a question for the guys who are good at stats....which I clearly am not.
    If the points Robbie won were pro rata across the entire season, would we have finished top?
    Knowing that would let us know if itís real progress or not
    Apologies if itís been asked before!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick A Saw View Post
    Still hurting bud?
    Just a tad mate. Some of the stuff on here is unreal. Should have avoided it for a week, or a month! 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARAbCHNID View Post
    Please read post #9 again & try view the bigger picture.
    Far too soon for the bigger picture I'm afraid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by weegiearab View Post
    I don't see how it can be suggested that this view is happy clapping. What is being said is that the team we currently have is not good enough to be in the premier league. If anything, it's the ones that believe that we would be challenging top 6 that are the happy clappers.....because on Sundays performances,
    they are deluded to think that we wouldn't be scrapping to stay in that league next season. We have shown signs of recovery but we aren't good enough at the moment. I believe that we have fixed a lot of our problems but need further changes to get us where we want to be. Sunday should have proven that we need a lot more work and has laid our deficiencies bare for all to see. We ain't good enough just now but we are not a million miles away, we are in the best shape that we have been for the past few seasons and should improve further next season....but we are still pretty sh#te!
    I would kill to be scrapping at the bottom of THAT league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AussieArab44 View Post
    Just a question for the guys who are good at stats....which I clearly am not.
    If the points Robbie won were pro rata across the entire season, would we have finished top?
    Knowing that would let us know if itís real progress or not
    Apologies if itís been asked before!
    69.43 points by my calculations. So where we were. That said it there would have been more pressure on County if weíd been closer to them and who knows how it would have turned out.

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    Many good comments on this thread. Here's my initial reflections

    29.12 Alloa 2-1 United
    05.01 United 1-1 Partick
    23.02 Falkirk 1-1 United
    09.03 Partick 2-1 United
    30.03 United 1-2 QOS
    04.05 Morton 1-1 United

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    Interesting! So 5 points better off if RN had the team for the entire season, and therefore only 1 point behind County.
    Guess that tells us that it would have been close but still no cigar.....which suggests we do still need to strengthen, which we already know!
    So all in all, suggests on the right path and a good summer window should give us confidence as long as we start well!
    I still have a feeling that a sports psychology session in pre season would help.
    Consistently winning is as much in the head as it is on the pitch!

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    Doesn't suggest that at all as its not as simple as that, you can't compare County starting with everything in place last season, I doubt they'd have collected as many pts early on with the pressure on all season from us for a start

    Also we had three different teams through the season, the one that started under Laszlo, the one we initially went with under Neilson, then that post January team, we are a work in progress, a transition season finished

    The chance to build properly, plenty to be enthusiastic and positive about and no we would not be happy to be scrambling about the bottom of the top league for three consecutive seasons like the fun just have, it's much more soul destroying losing most games even in the league above

    You'd accept it for a season maybe of finding your feet, but I'd expect its to be a surprise package early on and finish in the 6-9th range first season back

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    Nothing like being contrary for the sake of it eh?
    County did just fine getting wins regardless of any ďpressureĒ from our results especially towards the end of the season.
    All it is, is an indicative comparison, unscientific but directionally relevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedka View Post
    Doesn't suggest that at all as its not as simple as that, you can't compare County starting with everything in place last season, I doubt they'd have collected as many pts early on with the pressure on all season from us for a start.
    And also we played County before Robbie took over.

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    And we played them after as well!
    Jeezus forget it!

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    The point is, if you are changing our points total before he arrived based on Robbie's subsequent record it would have an effect on RC's, seeing as we played them. So, in fantasy land, we won the Championship. 😂

    As interesting as it is, ultimately it makes no difference. Gives us hope for next season though?

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    Thatís all it ever was, an indicative position on direction....
    Not one game here and there specific! There is always the ifs and buts and all that, it is only statistically trending.
    So yes it does say itís on the right trajectory and we should be enthusiastic and positive and get behind the players manager and owners!
    And by the way in fantasy land as you call it we probably wouldnít have or possibly could have....its irrelevant. Especially if you try to take single games and such like into consideration.

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    My second reflection is that we did enough to finish second despite playing some really poor football. We then played very poorly twice against a very average St Mirren side. Why is that? I'm still reflecting on it!

    It seems to me that some folk are quick to gloss over the facts in their haste to be optimistic about next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    My second reflection is that we did enough to finish second despite playing some really poor football. We then played very poorly twice against a very average St Mirren side. Why is that? I'm still reflecting on it!

    It seems to me that some folk are quick to gloss over the facts in their haste to be optimistic about next season.
    Thatís what gives me probably the most hope!
    We were rank rotten lots of the time and still finished second, only a couple of wins off top!
    In my blindly optimistic way Iím thinking another 3 or 4 wins next year versus this year could get us up!
    Cue the contrary replies....

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    I think your are spot on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GingerPetric View Post
    69.43 points by my calculations. So where we were. That said it there would have been more pressure on County if weíd been closer to them and who knows how it would have turned out.
    Thatís correct. Neilsonís points average over the season was 1.92 so 69 over whole season. Worth pointing out that since deadline day that increased to 2.07 which over 36 games = 74.56 so enough to win the league.

    Considering he took over a side that who were averaging 1.37, I consider it a job well done. Start next season as we finished this one and others will struggle to keep up.

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