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    Quote Originally Posted by MrsORichSenior View Post
    ........ maybe a few should lay off certain players .......................

    Bamford is a very good forward who can get better with a run of games and will be an asset for the team long term.
    Luxury ?
    No,an incentive loaded contract does't break the bank.

    Yes he's had injury issues this season, but still managed to score a few goals and did look good when he was fit and half decent when he came back early from a nasty acute PCL complicated by a chronic tear injury upon that return for the record.Regardless,that and his private issues was enough for Mick McCarthy to try and tempt him to represent the Republic if delicate conditions were met from all parties including Leeds.Just saying like for consideration .........

    Bielsa has in brief spells played him also as an attacking midfielder to good effect,not everyones cup of tea but Defo a role for him to nichè out ,IMO.

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    Sorry Mrs O, but any Leeds player who pretends to have been hit in th face in order to try to get an opposition player punished is not worthy of the shirt (that diving South American idiot falls into the same category). And to do the same again when coming back from a well-deserved suspension in a game that just might have led to our promotion this season just caps what is a hugely unacceptable set of performances.

    He isn't worthy of the shirt and he isn't worth any wages at all. He should go, for nothing if necessary, and I suspect most Leeds fans would give him a lift out of ER no matter where he was going nor how far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF11 View Post
    Sorry Mrs O, but any Leeds player who pretends to have been hit in th face in order to try to get an opposition player punished is not worthy of the shirt (that diving South American idiot falls into the same category). And to do the same again when coming back from a well-deserved suspension in a game that just might have led to our promotion this season just caps what is a hugely unacceptable set of performances.

    He isn't worthy of the shirt and he isn't worth any wages at all. He should go, for nothing if necessary, and I suspect most Leeds fans would give him a lift out of ER no matter where he was going nor how far.
    Its the closing of the eyes when he goes in for a challenge tells me he is a fraud

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    Quote Originally Posted by klix View Post
    Bamford is a very good forward
    Attacking midfielder
    Ffs what you drinking
    ......... drinking chilled Normandy cider admittedly but .......................
    As ever time will tell regarding Bam-bam but as with all strikers he needs service,intelligent service delivered to his prefered areas.Hell,when at Boro he scared the Bejesus out of us ...........
    I've never had the luxury of seeing UK Tv Leeds player replays and constant re-runs of analysis of chances but do have the regular opportunity of seeing his games over 90 minutes and conclude his movement within the team will reap reward when he's fully fit and gets the service Bielsa's trying to provide for him.
    As for his silly antic ?
    Fair point but others within the squad have had their silly moments too I recall and will no doubt learn quickly for their misdemeanours in the heat of battle.

    MOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by klix View Post
    Bamford is a very good forward
    Attacking midfielder
    Ffs what you drinking
    You may turn out to be right about Bamford, but I find it frustrating and amusing that you are saying such things on this thread.

    This time last year, people were speaking the same way about Philips.

    Players can improve/mature, particularly in a supportive environment. If Bielsa wants to keep Bamford, then I will support that decision and see where it takes us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leighdsunited View Post
    You may turn out to be right about Bamford, but I find it frustrating and amusing that you are saying such things on this thread.

    This time last year, people were speaking the same way about Philips.

    Players can improve/mature, particularly in a supportive environment. If Bielsa wants to keep Bamford, then I will support that decision and see where it takes us.
    Wrong.

    This time last year people were saying Phillips had to mature, and they were right and under Bielsa he has.

    Bamford has had plenty of opportunities in senior positions at a number of club's and despite having Bielsas influence at Leeds he remains juvenile, childish, lacking in commitment and decisiveness and all too willing to disgrace himself and the great club we follow with his histrionics and play-acting.

    He does not deserve to be given any more opportunities, and should join that other over-paid waste of space Harrison on the way out permanently of the Leeds changing room.

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    Not disagreeing with you on that, just think it's quite a blunt way of putting it, better to say we could have better players than them in those positions 😂😂😂😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by norfolk white View Post
    Not disagreeing with you on that, just think it's quite a blunt way of putting it, better to say we could have better players than them in those positions 😂😂😂😂
    Wtf is wrong with being direct ( or blunt, if that's really what you think I was being)?

    They (as with all Leeds 1st team players, justespecially so in their case), are paid a kings ransom to play football, and if they aren't up to the job (as Bamford and Harrison clearly aren't) then why should fans who ultimately pay those ransom not express themselves plainly?

    Neither player deserves to play for Leeds ever again, is that blunt enough?

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    Coming through loud and clear rubber duck, on a serious note, can you actually see bielsa getting rid of bamford, for one reason I can't see Leeds recouping the £7 million, and also I actually think bielsa believes in him if he's injury free.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norfolk white View Post
    Coming through loud and clear rubber duck, on a serious note, can you actually see bielsa getting rid of bamford, for one reason I can't see Leeds recouping the £7 million, and also I actually think bielsa believes in him if he's injury free.
    No decision on player transfers will be (or has been) at the behest of Bielsa. All have been dictated by our DoF and apparently Radrizzani is content to let that continue to be the case, despite the manifest stupidity of such a tactic (and lets not start on who was responsible for getting Bielsa to Leeds, as if Orta would be sufficiently "influential" to do that). We're told that the transfer window will be a "difficult one", we can only hope that retaining Bielsa has brought with it some semblance of sanity coloured with a sense of reality regarding just which players actually CAN add to the squad as opposed to the desperate dive to the bottom of the barrel that characterised our DoFs earlier forays into the transfer market.

    We will never recoup the £7m for Bamford, nor the wages we pi55ed down the drain on Izzy Brown, nor the £51k a week we have similarly burned to no great effect on Harrison, nor the £5m or so we will have shelled out on the great white hope from Barcelona whos antics contributed (at the very least) to us failing to get promotion this season (Cassilla, unless you hadn't guessed). All expensive mistakes. If you or I made such monumental blunders in our chosen profession, they would get us sacked, but in the Alice in Wonderland world of the EFL, they get senior executives paid vast sums of money and continued ability to f00k things up, funny that, hmmm?

    Any why do you come the judgement that Bielsa "believes in him" (Bamford), as opposed to having no alternatives to turn to?

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    Because bielsa has no alternatives, roofe, who I think is his first choice, but if he's injured or off form, there's only Roberts as the other option, he seems reluctant to let Edmondson have a go. I can't see Leeds signing a Dwight gale or suchlike so I'm afraid it seems bamford, like him or not is here to stay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by norfolk white View Post
    Because bielsa has no alternatives, roofe, who I think is his first choice, but if he's injured or off form, there's only Roberts as the other option, he seems reluctant to let Edmondson have a go. I can't see Leeds signing a Dwight gale or suchlike so I'm afraid it seems bamford, like him or not is here to stay.
    Then it's not that Bielsa "believes" in Bamford, but as I suggested, its because there are no alternatives, which is a whole different ball game, literally and metaphorically.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF11 View Post
    Then it's not that Bielsa "believes" in Bamford, but as I suggested, its because there are no alternatives, which is a whole different ball game, literally and metaphorically.
    WTF he has scored more goals for same amount of games his played as roofe. Those injuries are hard to come by and he had to play cause of roofes injuries. I think with an injury free pre season he may be that 20 goal striker we crave about.
    As of Roofe phillips i think they are good as gone and maybe a couple of other's so will be an intresting couple of months ahead. But with Bamf ( least of out problems) i give him the benefit of the doubt.

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    should be sacked for taking exactly the same squad from 13th to 3rd

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    Quote Originally Posted by asturianblanco View Post
    should be sacked for taking exactly the same squad from 13th to 3rd
    You been on the sauce again BB? Where in this thread has there been any criticism of Bielsa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF11 View Post
    You been on the sauce again BB? Where in this thread has there been any criticism of Bielsa?

    I normally support players and try to see the positives but not sure about Bamford having seen him live a few times.

    He clearly has talent and can score goals, often screamers, but .......

    his attitude worries me a little. If he wants to play up front then he needs to be prepared to throw his body into places where he might get physically hurt and not convinced he likes doing that. The incident against Villa having watched it back a few times almost looked as is having pushed the Villa player he was scared of getting hit so feigned it before it happened. That supports my fears about being willing to put his body on the line like Roofe does.

    I generally hate players feigning injury whether they play for us or not so that is a huge minus against him too.

    He also seems more suited to a slower tempo of game which is not his fault but he did seem to be a bit of a we can’t sign who we really want signing.

    the fact other teams have let him go so often is a worry too.

    the caveat to all that is that he had a really serious injury and I suspect the club brought him back sooner that they would liked to in an ideal world. Will be interesting to see how he gets on next year with a full preseason behind him - I hope it goes well for him and us but I just have this nagging doubt from the times I have watched him this season where on a couple of occasions he looked woeful.

    if he scores 30 goals next season and takes us up then great and I hope he does it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asturianblanco View Post
    should be sacked for taking exactly the same squad from 13th to 3rd xdxdxd
    x2

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    Quote Originally Posted by WTF11 View Post
    You been on the sauce again BB? Where in this thread has there been any criticism of Bielsa?
    "nor the £51k a week we have similarly burned to no great effect on Harrison, nor the £5m or so we will have shelled out on the great white hope from Barcelona whos antics contributed (at the very least) to us failing to get promotion this season (Cassilla, unless you hadn't guessed). All expensive mistakes. If you or I made such monumental blunders in our chosen profession, they would get us sacked"

    Bielsa played both Harrison and Casilla every game he could, so by association you are saying the man doesnt know what hes doing and should be sacked along with our shockingly bad DOF and our shoddy owner, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by asturianblanco View Post
    "nor the £51k a week we have similarly burned to no great effect on Harrison, nor the £5m or so we will have shelled out on the great white hope from Barcelona whos antics contributed (at the very least) to us failing to get promotion this season (Cassilla, unless you hadn't guessed). All expensive mistakes. If you or I made such monumental blunders in our chosen profession, they would get us sacked"

    Bielsa played both Harrison and Casilla every game he could, so by association you are saying the man doesnt know what hes doing and should be sacked along with our shockingly bad DOF and our shoddy owner, no?
    You and others have been vociferous in your defence of Bielsa and the straightjacket he was placed in regarding new players, when the responsibility for obtaining new blood has always been placed squarely with our "shocking" (your word) DoF. I agree with you, Bielsa is unlikely to have been responsible for bringing Harrison or Cassilla to Leeds.

    Neither you nor I know of what conditions were applied to Harrisons loan deal, I suspect however that there were clauses that would "influence" how much game time he would be given (something obviously lacking in the case of Izzy Brown). I'm by no means alone in suggesting that Harrison wasn't worth anywhere near the £51k/week he was being paid (by which club frankly I don't give a f00k, he wasn't worth it), nor am I alone in suggesting he was given more game time than other more deserving players (such as Shackleton).

    Casilla has been with the club for only the latter half of the season, and again, neither you nor I know who was instrumental in him joining Leeds, but having spent a substantial amount of money in getting him released, and having clearly obtained his services to replace BPF as No1 keeper, its hardly surprising that he was used as often as his availability allowed.

    Paying those sort of monies to players (I believe Harrison was the highest earning 1st team player for 2018/19, Casilla coming up close), you don't just leave them to fester as they did with Brown and others.

    The CLUB, and most definitely our DoF (who has the responsibility of obtaining new players, whether on loan or transferred in) WERE responsible for making decisions that have cost us dear, financially and in terms of results on the pitch, which is what I referred to in my post, as you well know.

    But then again, I wouldn't expect you to waste any opportunity, no matter how obtuse, no matter how tangential your argument, no matter how paranoid you sound, to have a dig at me, you need help.

    (Btw, I agree with you that we have a shockingly bad DoF (who nevertheless seems to have some kind of sway over our somewhat overburdened owner), glad you're coming round to my way of thinking).

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    Bielsa wanted Casilla.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asturianblanco View Post
    Bielsa wanted Casilla.
    So you say, just like others who have "sources", yaddah yaddah. Get back on the sauce.

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