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    Downing

    I actually don't mind this one if we can get him on much lower wages. I just feel we are getting in a squad player, like Conway was, but with tonnes of experience. He's a winger in the old fashion sense. And for all we know he may've worked closely with Harry Chapman in their time at Boro? Same position, one offers lots of defensive cover the other more attacking. Used correctly over a season, he could be an upgrade on last season. Especially when we had to dig deep last year, when we had those 2 months of losses, the quality coming in (due to a build up of injuries & suspensions) wasn't good enough. So I feel we do need to address the quality.
    I think TM will also be looking at Downing, as they know one another v well, with maybe a coaching role in mind after the end if he was to retire. Also, we haven't had an English international (with over 50 caps) playing for us for years now. And I feel we need to raise the standards. Especially with such a special group of young players all coming through. We simply can't play all these lads together in the 1st team, they need seasoned pro's around then. But ones with high standards. Downing at 34 won't be starting every game. He could however have an impact on the squad, and we need to be looking to do the same in certain areas.

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    I too am warming to this one.
    Originally I was very tepid on this transfer but experience counts a lot,especially round a predominantly young squad.

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    As per another thread Conway has been a great servant and I wouldn't have objected to another year at Ewood.

    Assuming their salaries are similar Downing in and Conway out seems a no brainer.

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    Hello, all.
    Back after a brilliant month's holiday.
    I've looked in from time to time, but I find this time of year frustrating from a football point-of view. The agents run around, touting their players as if they are all the new Messi, while the desperate journalists simply repeat old stories, or invent a few rumours.
    If you look at the BBC's list of Championship signings so far, the vast majority are "free transfers" or "unattached".
    The real deals are going on behind closed doors.
    I wouldn't mind Downing, either. I'm a bit wary because of Murphy and Whittingham, but this guy has always been an exemplary professional, and it helps that he knows TM.
    The fact that Rangers are after him must lessen our chances, however.
    I'd be quite happy with an extra powerful centre-back, an experienced creative (central) midfielder, and a target-man to cover Graham.
    Beyond that, I think we have reasonable blend of experience and fast-improving youngsters.
    If we DO get Downing, I'm assuming Gladwin will move on.

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    Glen Whelan now being mentioned ..... how old is Ronaldo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seventwo View Post
    Glen Whelan now being mentioned ..... how old is Ronaldo?

    played a very important role for Villa last season and was instrumental in them going up. Plus they chose to play him the bigger games. Getting on a bit, but a far far better option that both Smallwood and Evans. And offer us defensive cover. Something we desperately lack.
    These are the exact type of players I think we need, and should be going for.

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    This time last season, we were linked with both John McGinn and Dylan McGeouch of Hibs. The latter went to Sunderland on a short contract, but isn't happy with how few games he's had.
    I remember the Hibs fans saying the two were of similar ability, and we've seen how well McGinn has performed, so I wonder if there's any possibility we could be looking at McGeouch again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    This time last season, we were linked with both John McGinn and Dylan McGeouch of Hibs. The latter went to Sunderland on a short contract, but isn't happy with how few games he's had.
    I remember the Hibs fans saying the two were of similar ability, and we've seen how well McGinn has performed, so I wonder if there's any possibility we could be looking at McGeouch again.

    And Luke Freeman from QPR, who got player of the season and had a good impact again. Pity we where unable to get him in, who I also believe would have had a positive impact on us.
    McGinn is not good enough for the Prem so it will be interesting to see where he ends up. He will stop with Villa until they realise the same.

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    To be fair, all our targets last summer, all went onto have decent seasons, showing we at least identified good players. We just lost out because we could afford any of them. The actual players we are in for, are decent. If only we got bigger crowds we could really challenge. But we are where we are.

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    One thing that's been nagging away at me all afternoon. I wabt to correct what I said above, as it's annoyed me when I've thought about it.
    Glenn Whelan, ok played a fair bit for Villa last season, did well. But I had to go check and I'm correct! Mulgrew is 4 years younger!!!! So going for someone like Whelan makes no sense at all. Mulgrew has become a liability at Centre half. But he does give us goals, corners, free kicks and pens are sorted when he plays. Put him in alongside Travis & Davenport and surley he can utilise his passing ability? TM will say his legs won't allow him to be effective, but I actually disagree. With the right CM's with him, he could be decent enough to unlock to oppo, and get Dack, BB and Armstrong on the ball. Whelan is much older! He won't have much more in him, anymore than Charlie. And we keep his set piece/goal threat. Which again, is very effective. Whelan wouldn't have played all the time, but neither will Mulgrew. And is Evans actually any worse than Whelan? We desperately need a new commanding CB along side Lenihan. That's priority no1

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    Could not agree anymore.
    Downing yes,whelan no
    A hold up forward and a solid centre back next to lenihan is an absolute must.
    Personally I wouldn't mind a decent right and a left back coming in,but understand in our situation money doesn't grow on trees.

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    I don't entirely agree about McGinn, Champs, in the sense that the PL is actually TWO divisions. He's probably going to be competitive in the bottom 12, where Villa will be battling for a place. This is is the issue for all the clubs outside the elite.

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    Whenever I saw him play, he didn't shine. Or give me the impression that he was better than anything at this level. He was ok, but I think you need more to make an impact at the level above. Dack is a step up (albeit a different position) and I remain unconvinced he could make the step up. I don't think Mcginn is any better than Travis.

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    I think Travis will have to improve his distribution before he is on a level with McGinn.
    As with a number of our players (Rothwell, Armstrong, Bennett, Nyambe, Bell), the final pass was often Travis's downfall.
    Obviously, that final pass is always the most difficult because it's inevitably into a more crowded area of the pitch, but I thought our percentages were regularly below what is needed to make us truly effective.
    Oddly, during that good spell in January, it was Corry Evans who suddenly started to deliver the goods in that respect, but he then fell back into "safe" mode.
    Incidentally, I watched the Gibraltar-Georgia game. This lad Annesley looked quite promising although he wasn't actually playing as a centre-back. The only thing is, he needs to put on about three stones in weight. He is a real bean-pole at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    I think Travis will have to improve his distribution before he is on a level with McGinn.
    As with a number of our players (Rothwell, Armstrong, Bennett, Nyambe, Bell), the final pass was often Travis's downfall.
    Obviously, that final pass is always the most difficult because it's inevitably into a more crowded area of the pitch, but I thought our percentages were regularly below what is needed to make us truly effective.
    Oddly, during that good spell in January, it was Corry Evans who suddenly started to deliver the goods in that respect, but he then fell back into "safe" mode.
    Incidentally, I watched the Gibraltar-Georgia game. This lad Annesley looked quite promising although he wasn't actually playing as a centre-back. The only thing is, he needs to put on about three stones in weight. He is a real bean-pole at the moment.

    Travis is much younger, and only played half a season of professional football. All at the second tier of English football. McGinn is older, and more experienced, and didn't to me stand out. He just looked ok.
    So did Trav, no better no worse. But one is very wet behind the ears and got better, the more he played.
    McGinn - 24 years old. 228 league games.
    Travis - 21 years old. 31 league games (alot as sub)
    One is actually quite experienced, one is very much learning his trade.
    By the time Travis is 24, he will likely be playing in the Prem.
    I do not think this lad will be playing in the Prem in the next 2 seasons. Decent enough Champ player, but not good enough to step up.
    The one thing you will always get with young players is inconsistency. I do agree he needs to improve his passing, but hopefully that will come in time. He came in the side during a very tough spell, and came out the other side better for it I thought. During a time alot of our players hit poor form, he wasnt excatly coming into a confident side offering him much protection. He was left totally exposed most of the time I thought.

    That's why I was so critical of Rothwell. He is what I call a head down and run type of footballer. He isn't gifted with any kind of positional play. He just runs, head down, into blind alleys. He rarely picks a killer pass.
    He can beat a man, and we don't have many of those in our squad. TM had to keep him back so long, as not matter what a nice player he is, he simply didn't have a clue about tracking back, or working hard for the team. That is still an issue with him. I just don't feel he brings enough at the other end. If Dack went, he would not be the answer to replace him. He hasn't got the discipline to play in such an important position. I remain very unsold of him.

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    I don't mind having one Rothwell-type in a team, because you get that element of unpredictability. It can be frustrating, though - remember King and Hoilett. Eventually, both of them became more consistent (not with us, unfortunately!), and the same might be true of Rothwell.
    In Dack, Chapman and Rothwell, we have three genuine flair-players. It will be interesting to see how they are used.
    I think you are being a bit harsh on McGinn. I would snap him up for Rovers. Yes, Travis might match him eventually, but McGinn is the finished product, and a very good play-maker at Championship level...and that is something we lack.

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    Grealish is that person. He will go on and have a career in the top flight. Mcginn will end up in the Champ.

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