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"The Guardian backed Labour in 2005. Backed Labour in 2015. Supports anti-Conservative tactical voting with view to pro-electoral reform coalition"Originally Posted by ragingpup
Cut and pasted from one of the many online references that support the view that the Guardian is the most left leaning of the mainstream newspapers.
Anyhow back to the plot, Imam Abdullah Patel, recently carefully chosen by the BBC to ask a question on the leadership debate debacle, is a great admirer of Jeremy Corbyn.
Oh it slipped through the net said the BBC.
Yeah right of course it did.
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...and still no criticism of anything remotely right...tic toc as they say...it truly would tear you apart if you had to say anything like that wouldn't it Mr Kerr?
Go on do it for your pal Rolypoly. Just a tincey criticism...it would make my day! Do it for charity if not me!
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Is it something about being of a Left Wing persuasion that causes some people to have selective memories, Roly?
How can you say that I don't criticise the right? Was I not deemed to be one of your favourite posters when I spent quite a lot of time debating with the likes of Ellis D over his views on Islam?
In general, I don't like either extreme right or extreme left politics. Both tend to end in tears.
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The tory party IS A DISASTER.
The record jobs are rubbish jobs. If not for Labour we would all be still in flat caps outside factory like - waitin fut nod frompt beastly foremun.
If truth be told this country has been raped by the rich who are bathing in luxury and don't deserve it. That's why they control nigh on every statistic quoted.
And Boris - Gawd elp us all. Get flat caps out!
This whole thread is a symbol of the brainwashing this country suffers from. I'd say DYOR....But you read / research to suit your long held personal beliefs so attitude changing facts go astray.
Simple rule:
Tories self serving Bar Stewards. Complemented by the right wing media that cover up the stories of deaths under the money pit NHS - et al. The fraud of the major projects over running on time and £££££ cost a fortune and never finished....FRAUD !
Labour do the right thing for the people and the country but hampered by brutal propaganda of all media and without big business support. And the civil service mandarins don't help.
Pitch forks down Whitehall over Brexit as catalyst for a shift in politics. Notice how quiet the media are at the moment....keeping real issues under the radar so common folk get back to their ploughs and lose interest.
This 5 year term is a joke and detrimental to our democracy....the tory leadership campaign is showing the people what the tories are all about and the gobs 5hite who'll win has been kept quiet so he doesn't shoot himself in the foot.
Get me an axe and a bit of Canada and I'll build a nice log cabin with no Internet / cable.....not "overcrowded" there!
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There is no personal attack in saying that you should be ashamed for not supporting seeking greater evidence before triggering a way that led to our soldiers getting killed.
You persist in your tabloid-esque chest beating about Corbyn et al being apologists for terrorism but refuse to engage in the discussion about their reasons for historically opposing the British State and supporting the cause (though crucially not the terrorism in support of the cause) with the intention of stopping the conflicts and saving human lives. You are as blinkered as a tabloid reader manipulating headlines in favour, unquestioning, in support of the British state. Corbyn is absolutely right to be suspicious of any evidence and request that the evidence provided before international intervention is robust. I don’t trust Palestine leaders and more than I trust Israeli leaders, I don’t trust Russian leaders and more than I trust American leaders and it is wise to always be suspicious of your own leaders, not just Corbyn.
The bottom line is that Corbyn is a genuine pacifist. That will alarm the twitching red faced tabloid fodder that want a twitching finger on our nuclear button and are convinced that foreigners are out to get them, but that is bottom line what he is.
It is ridiculous to think that he would support any actions of violence for a cause, but that mean that the cause itself shouldn't still be supported. He has condemned the IRA and any terrorist organisation for its murderous approach to political troubles (https://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...ists-1.3091883) I judge a person on their voting record over history and their actions over history. Corbyn has made some stupid errors of judgement in his 50 years of activity that will continue to haunt him (appearing on Iran TV, defending the Mural) but your statement that he apologises for terrorists is just plain ignoring the facts and history, twisting one dimensionally in favour of your own agenda. Just as bad as Grist and Fire. It can never win around people that only take on the side of the State of the country that they live in, but Corbyn’s belief that you have to take evidence and sides as you see them, and talk to your ‘enemies’ is correct if you want to bring about a change from a position of war. It is a shame that unthinking, blinkered people who can’t look beyond the relentless propaganda of their own state immediately call such people ‘apologists’ and ‘terrorist sympathisers’ but we have to be pragmatic and try and stop the conflict. This worked in Ireland to a greater extent. It has far from worked in the middle East and won’t for a long time to come. But the more we acknowledge the history of the problem and the grievances of both sides, not just the Israeli one, and the more you encourage the leaders of both sides to enter a room to talk, the closer peace will come.
I’m perfectly comfortable on this topic but happy to do Farage any time the cynical bigot comes into view. But you’re the one that expresses blinkered, ill researched views so I’m focusing on that. And I repeat, Corbyn would have avoided the Iraq war by asking for clear evidence of Blair’s ‘weapons of mass destruction’, and he would not have sent our troops to their deaths. You appear content that this happened and perfectly happy to make the same mistakes again. Not personal, but again, shame on you for that.
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Blimey. Ok.
Of 18 general elections since the 2nd war, there have been 18 general elections. Of these, the Guardian have backed Labour 9 times (50%). If you are asserting from your (un-named source, I’d love to see what you’re reading!) that the Guardian is the most left leaning, then that certainly shows the challenge Labour faces in getting it’s message across fairly in the mass media. (although I would say that the Mirror is the one MM outlet that is more left wing)
You could say that they are supporting “anti-conservative tactical voting with a view to pro-electoral reform coalition”. You could also say that they are supporting a fairer voting system that doesn’t work in favour of one party.
If there was an election this year, the Guardian would support the Lib Dems. They have always been eager to criticise Corbyn, not without just cause on many occasions, and this is especially intense as he isn’t caving in to their relentless demands for a 2nd referendum.
I think it’s always wise to know the biases of the papers/media you choose to read and always weigh up their editorial stance against other sources and form your own opinion. But I would always advise avoiding outlets like the Mail/Sun/Mirror (they’re just as bad as the right wing ones with their own agenda) that wilfully mislead their readers when it suits them with false information and deliberately slanted language. All do this to an extent, but these ‘newspapers’ do it repeatedly and in all knowledge that their evidence is frequently fake or slanted to deceive their readers. They know as well as I do that the enforced, tiny apology that is subsequently forced upon them by the media standards watchdog is pissing in the wind compared to the fact that their readership has hungrily swallowed their initial fibs.
But if that floats yer boat.
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That is why every single Labour MP whose constituency voted to leave the EU are campaigning not to. If your going to throw stones please make sure you do not live in a glass house ok.
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Do you mean John Healey?
The MP that’s hardly ever seen in his constituency and one that is trying to get us to stay in the EU even though the people in his electoral ward gave a majority leave vote?
He’s the duck with the red rosette.
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Jeremy Corbyn day 2...How JC intends to bankrupt the country, todays topic Taxation
Jeremy's and his marxist friend McDoughnut dont have no clue regarding economics, in fact Corbyns nearly been bankrupt before as he wasnt able to manage his bills. How can he be expected to manage the world 5th biggest economy.
Secondly, his taxation plans will mean some of our world leading companies deserting theses shores and as a result we will see less investment, lower paid jobs, more companies not being able to compete with those on continental europe.
This will lead to cuts in the health budget, education and welfare hitting those who need it most.
JC's 1970s hard socialism isnt relevent in todays global economy.
We will pick this up tomorrow with reason number 3 JC will bankrupt us
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Completely wrong.
There's a groundswell of Labour MPs in leave constituencies who are urging Corbyn not to back a 2nd referendum. Some of these MPs personally prefer to stay in the EU but are rightly taking their constituents views into account and are seeking to deliver Brexit.
https://twitter.com/iainjwatson/stat...itics-48694223
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