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Thread: How Labour won Peterborough.

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    How Labour won Peterborough.

    The Labour Party postal voting scam, coming to a town near you next.

    https://www.politicalite.com/electio...as-really-won/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    The Labour Party postal voting scam, coming to a town near you next.

    https://www.politicalite.com/electio...as-really-won/
    sinkov---behave yourself ---you know that it is all fake news, everybody is really honest in Peterborough, particularly the MP who had to step down ----oh, wait a minute...............

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    They asked Trump how to do it! Sore losers strike again without one iota of proof of any electoral misdoings!

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    Here are the cases that were reported in the 2017 election. Nothing earth-shattering here.

    https://www.electoralcommission.org....eport-2017.pdf

    Regarding postal votes. BT will tell you that this is a crucial part of the election process. The number of electors with a postal vote has mushroomed - and these people are much more likely to vote than those without a postal vote.

    It is common when canvassing to ask a supporter if they want a postal vote. Most people who have a postal vote are supporters of a specific party - I would say that the Tories have more postal voters than the other parties, but this may be because they tend to be older.

    During an election campaign there are two voting days that the parties work towards. The obvious one is "Polling Day" itself, but the other one, and just as important (if not more so), is the day when the postal vote forms arrive through the letter boxes of the electors. This date is known by the parties and if you are running a serious campaign then you would treat this date as ***** in the election.

    There have been several accusations of malpractice in the past but it really doesn't appear to be a major problem in the UK.
    No doubt the Electoral Commission will look at any accusations of wrong doing in Peterborough and report back when their examinations are complete.

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    No it doesn't appear to be a major problem in the UK, and no doubt the Electoral Commission will get to the bottom of it.

    No doubt you didn't think there was a major problem in Tower Hamlets either 59, and could I just point out it wasn't the Old Bill who sorted this out, nor was it the Electoral Commission who got to the bottom of it, it was four individuals who took it to the High Court to get the scandal out into the open. It's always the same two ingredients in a postal voting, vote-rigging scam, a lefty politician and a constituency with an above average ethnic minority population. I wonder why that is ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47535867

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    No it doesn't appear to be a major problem in the UK, and no doubt the Electoral Commission will get to the bottom of it.

    No doubt you didn't think there was a major problem in Tower Hamlets either 59, and could I just point out it wasn't the Old Bill who sorted this out, nor was it the Electoral Commission who got to the bottom of it, it was four individuals who took it to the High Court to get the scandal out into the open. It's always the same two ingredients in a postal voting, vote-rigging scam, a lefty politician and a constituency with an above average ethnic minority population. I wonder why that is ?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47535867
    sinkov-- stop rattling the cage --all is fair in love and politics!

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    No, definitely not a major problem, this is from the Manchester Evening News five years ago.

    "Oldham named as election fraud 'hotspot' as watchdog calls for voter IDs. The Electoral Commission called for all voters to be required to show photographic proof of their identity at polling stations."

    Oldham was today named by voting watchdogs as one of 16 council areas 'at risk' of election fraud. In a new report to combat 'ballot and vote-rigging', the influential commission called for rules and security to be tightened at polling stations and surrounding postal voting to restore trust in the electoral system. The elections watchdog has also launched a study into concerns that some South Asian communities – notably those with roots in parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh – were particularly susceptible to electoral fraud.

    Oldham was named as one of 16 local authority areas identified as being at greater risk of complaints of alleged vote-rigging being reported. Others on the list are Birmingham, Blackburn with Darwen, Bradford, Burnley, Calderdale, Coventry, Derby, Hyndburn, Kirklees, Pendle, Peterborough, Slough, Tower Hamlets, Walsall, and Woking.
    The commission called for electoral registration officers, returning officers and police forces to introduce tough new measures to protect the integrity of the vote. Allegations of electoral fraud have been reported to police over recent years in Oldham, Rochdale , north Manchester and Bolton and arrests have been made. The local elections in Oldham in 2000 were overshadowed by allegations of vote-rigging and claims that votes in the names of dead people were cast. A police investigation led to a series of convictions the following year. In its final report of electoral fraud in the UK, the commission rejected calls to restrict access to postal voting – which has been at the centre of many of the allegations – saying it would prevent many innocent people from casting their vote.
    However it said the existing code of conduct needed to be strengthened to ensure campaigners do not handle postal votes or voting application forms. The commission warned that it would seek legislation if the problem was not resolved voluntarily and called for legislation over proof of identity to be in place by 2019 at the latest.


    And it is now 2019, but is the proof of ID legislation in place ? No of course it isn't, one party in particular kicked up such a fuss it was put on the back burner, and which party was objecting most strongly to the proposed legislation ? The Labour Party of course. And which party has just benefitted from another vote rigging scandal in Peterborough ? I'll give you 3 guesses and you can say **** twice.

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    Not a major problem 59, you need to have a word with your LibDem colleagues in Rochdale, they think it is.

    https://rochdalelibdems.org.uk/en/ar...tal-vote-fraud

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    Sinkov, I am confident that this will be sorted out after investigations.

    You have pulled out the details of a local election in East London in 2014 and I agree that there was a problem there. And you may be right about Peterborough.

    You constantly say that you don't believe the "fake news" of the BBC or some big newspapers. Recently I asked you where you got your info from that guides your thinking. If you answered then I missed it.

    Now, to justify your thoughts as to why Labour beat the Brexit Party in Peternorough you use "Politicalite" as you reference.
    I notice in it's headings it's features include "Tommy" (Robinson), "Farage" "Trump" etc. Please forgive me if I take it's content with a big shovelful of salt.
    About the only "fact" I could trust was the date. And I had to double check that.

    If I started a thread and used as a source "The Morning Star" then you would start lobbing over ripe fruit at me.

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    Before today 59 I had never heard of Politicalite, I came upon that piece by a link, I have no idea who runs the site nor it's politics, it just seemed a very detailed account of how the fraud was perpetrated and I'm sure if they are lying about anyone then redress will be sought in the courts. I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for that to happen though. The other two sources are the MEN, I have no idea of their political stance, and the Rochdale LibDems, they may well be a bunch of unreliable toe-rags, I wouldn't know you tell me.

    I did list the various sites, mags and papers I read a few months ago, you're right you must have missed it. It was quite a long list and included the Grauniad, not that I ever believe a word I read in there, Staggers, Labour List, and if I ever see any SWP members selling the Socialist Worker I'll stop for a chat and buy the Socialist Worker, me and the SWP go back a long way.


    Anyway I'm curious, just because the BBC and Guardian aren't reporting on the fraud in Peterborough, does that mean you think it didn't happen ?

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    Whether there was electoral fraud in the Peterborough result or not what is now abundantly clear is that this country desperately needs electoral reform. Labour “romped home” in Peterborough with just 31% of the vote. It is time that we ditched First Past the Post for a fairer system that makes seats match votes.

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    Just shoving my neb in here. I totally dislike the Postal Vote, it is obviously wide open and susceptible to the illegal casting of a vote.

    Here in Bolton North East and our local wards, the Tories had the political nous to get the postal vote boxed off ten years ago, the result is at least 2000 voters are out of reach to the Labour Party.

    Postal voting stinks, it's highly susceptible to election fraud and IMHO the only people who should be entitled to it are people who are receiving the highest level of the Disability Living Allowance. Polling Stations are open for fifteen hours, there is no excuse apart from tardiness not to vote. Back in the day, we used to ferry the reluctant, poorly or disabled voters to cast their vote, but hardly anyone wants this service now.

    Could Peterborough have been won on the back of rigged postal votes? Of course it could, in much the same way the blue rinsed brigade somehow managed to retain 2000 votes in our local ward when the rest of the country walked away from the Tory Party.

    Democracy is now lost in this country, evidenced perfectly by the refusal of the political establishment to accept the majority vote of the Brexit result.

    We suck.

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    They might have saved their skins yesterday BT, by just 11 votes they decided not to take over running the country for a day and so won't be declaring all out war on the electorate. The survival of democracy is hanging by a thread in this country, it might survive if we leave on October 31st, but the clowns are playing with fire.

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    There is a lot wrong with our electoral system these days.

    Postal votes account for a large proportion of the electorate these days (I am going to apply for one). Your card arrives through your letter box, you fill it in and post it back. Unless other people have access to your post then in theory it is like filling in any of your other forms. It is useful if you have mobility problems or you can't guarantee that you will be around on polling day.

    The electoral system is all wrong. around 80& of the seats are "safe" ones for one party or another and therefore there are a huge number of votes that count for nothing.

    For instance, in the 2010 GE the Lib Dems received 23% of the vote but only 57 MP's. Under Proportional representation they would have got 150 MP's.

    Similarly in the 2014 GE UKIP received 12.5% of the vote but only got one MP. Under PR they would have got 80.

    We are not used to coalition governments in this country but that would change over time.
    The coalition government is a good example. the Lib Dems were widely criticised for not getting their entire manifesto enacted (neither did the Tories) and they subsequently paid a very heavy price.
    But the fact was that this Government represented 59% of the voters. Normally the winning party is lucky to achieve 40%.

    There is a perception that MP's are not talented enough to do the job.
    But if you had the skills, would YOU wish to be an MP?
    The scrutiny, not only of how you are doing your job but also of your private life is intense. Would YOU put yourself or your family through all that?
    The pay is derisory compared to what they could earn in a similar role in the private industry.
    Job security is sh1te. You have to re-apply every 4/5 years and risk being chucked out.

    The MP's expenses scandal was shocking. But there appeared to be an unwritten rule that it was OK to claim expenses to supplement your income. Having said that, there were many ridiculous claims - the duck house springs to mind.

    Politicians have always been treated with suspicion but after this episode they were treated as freeloading , greedy scum. With some justification in many cases. And as a result they are generally held in low esteem.

    If you pay peanuts you get monkeys is true. I would increase their pay to the going rate for the job and it may just attract some proper talent.

    Can you believe what you are being told, especially in an election campaign? Of course not. I think that an independent watchdog should be set up to fact check what we are being told. If what they say is proven not to be true then the person who said it must publicly retract it.

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    Indeed there is a lot wrong with our electoral "system" these days.

    Streatham who voted a Labour candidate into Westminster now find themselves being represented by a Lib Dem.

    The country who voted for the old Etonian half wit Cameron, now find themselves being led by yet another old Etonian half wit.

    Who writes these phucking scripts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post

    The country who voted for the old Etonian half wit Cameron, now find themselves being led by yet another old Etonian half wit.
    Come on BT, as you point out the electorate voted in one Old Etonian half-wit, so Boris is just a like-for-like exchange, seems fair enough to me, nothing wrong with that surely ?

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    Come on BT, as you point out the electorate voted in one Old Etonian half-wit, so Boris is just a like-for-like exchange, seems fair enough to me, nothing wrong with that surely ?
    I really have had enough of the Tories and their futile attempt to govern. One totally not fit for purpose Prime Minister in David Cameron followed by the equally hapless Theresa May, and in all probability another one with the moral code of a one-eyed ginger tomcat, will force me off to retirement in the Canary Islands I think sinkov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post

    Now, to justify your thoughts as to why Labour beat the Brexit Party in Peternorough you use "Politicalite" as you reference.
    I notice in it's headings it's features include "Tommy" (Robinson), "Farage" "Trump" etc. Please forgive me if I take it's content with a big shovelful of salt.
    About the only "fact" I could trust was the date. And I had to double check that.
    "Postal votes accounted for 9,898 of the 33,998 ballot papers received. Four hundred of the postal votes returned were rejected due to either the signature or date of birth - or both - not matching council records."

    Still trust only the date mon ami. Just because they feature Tommy, Farage and Trump doesn't necessarily mean they're always wrong.

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    Fair enough Sinkov.

    It still won't become my main breakfast read though!

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