If Gove was a remoaner he’d want another vote!

[boingy]

On the contrary, I think a lot of our youth are our only shining beacon of hope.

The majority of our youth voted to remain because they want us to be more influential, have no restrictions on trade and want more opportunity. As a result, we will be back in the EU at some point. Some of them care passionately about environmental issues and climate change too.

Whereas the majority of the over 50's voted to leave, probably because they are influenced by too many right wing newspapers. They ramble on about the war, as if they were there and as if it were relevant in the Leave/Remain debate - which it isn't. Most of them haven't got a first clue about what WTO rules are. Or the Irish border issues, nor do they understand what damage leaving without a deal would do to our economy, according to the Govt's own Brexit department. But slogans which mean nothing, like 'leave means leave' are important to them...

The majority of over 50's support the buffoon that is Johnson - who recently said "F--- business" and told the fire service to 'get stuffed' after closing several stations down in London. Spent £44m on a bridge that was never built, and helped to extend the sentence of a British national in jail in Iran because of his incompetence.

If a village idiot like BaggieAl, who can barely string a sentence together, advocates him - then that is all you need to know!

Like the bright EU youth protester who was asked to name one good thing about the EU and her answer was "The NHS"

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

The remain campaign was poor, but it was mentioned. Cameron brought it up in his last ever PMQ's and Johnson & Farage both said that the Irish border wouldn't be an issue or affect the Irish people or Brexit....

and it wouldn't have been if (like a lot of other things Brexit) it had been handled properly. May went straight to Brussels with HER solution without consulting the DUP or the Irish Govt. However good a solution it's only natural you take somewhat against it if you've been ignored in something so close to you.

[WBA123]

and it wouldn't have been if (like a lot of other things Brexit) it had been handled properly. May went straight to Brussels with HER solution without consulting the DUP or the Irish Govt. However good a solution it's only natural you take somewhat against it if you've been ignored in something so close to you.

Even had she consulted them, would it really have made much difference?

You would still have the same issue, which is after Brexit, providing we leave the SM, you will have Northern and Republic having two separate regulatory and customs bodies. There is no way to leave the single market and not have border checks in Ireland,

Without border checks it could mean, theoretically, any EU citizen or product could enter the UK via Ireland. Not much control there...Leaving the SM will have to mean a border - which jeopardises the GFA.

What is your solution?

[WBA123]

123.....How on earth do you arrive at this conclusion? "diminished our right to live, work and travel in 27 other countries"
We are leaving the EU not Europe. That was a basic fact of the referendum.

Right now we can travel freely to 27 other countries in the EU currently. We can work, live and travel there as part of our EU citizenship.

We lose our EU citizenship the day we leave the EU. That diminishes our rights to work, live and travel to those countries because then as UK citizens, we will most likely then have to apply for visa's to be authorised entry.

[boingy]

Right now we can travel freely to 27 other countries in the EU currently. We can work, live and travel there as part of our EU citizenship.

We lose our EU citizenship the day we leave the EU. That diminishes our rights to work, live and travel to those countries because then as UK citizens, we will most likely then have to apply for visa's to be authorised entry.

And the problem is?

[WBA123]

And the problem is?

The problem is you have to apply for Visa's going forwards to enter the EU...before you could just travel, visit, work etc...

Can you not recognise how much bureaucracy that will involve?

How will applying for a visa every time I go to Europe improve my life? Brexit was supposed to make our lives better...

Without EU membership, going to live and work in other EU countries will still be possible, but it won’t be a ‘right’, so it won’t be as easy as now.

Brexit means losing rights, not gaining any.

[albion68]

And the problem is?

boingy FFS.take wba55 advice about arguing with a fool.

[9goals2hattricks3pen]

Even had she consulted them, would it really have made much difference?

You would still have the same issue, which is after Brexit, providing we leave the SM, you will have Northern and Republic having two separate regulatory and customs bodies. There is no way to leave the single market and not have border checks in Ireland,

Without border checks it could mean, theoretically, any EU citizen or product could enter the UK via Ireland. Not much control there...Leaving the SM will have to mean a border - which jeopardises the GFA.

What is your solution?

Would it have made a difference? Possibly/probably depending on your view.

No way to leave without border checks? I haven't heard a single remainer make this statement. There are I think a few options just none we have agreed on.

It only jeopardises the GFA if people decide they want it to!

'They' say there are technological solutions. Not for 1 minute do I consider myself knowledgeable enough to comment on this. Do you consider yourself well enough informed to categorically state there isn't one?

[baggieal]

boingy FFS.take wba55 advice about arguing with a fool.

Fool with a capital F. Page after page of remoaner dribble!! Rather listen to his - HRK is an experienced international and the Shan love in! What a tool!!!

[baggieal]

On the contrary, I think a lot of our youth are our only shining beacon of hope.

The majority of our youth voted to remain because they want us to be more influential, have no restrictions on trade and want more opportunity. As a result, we will be back in the EU at some point. Some of them care passionately about environmental issues and climate change too.

Whereas the majority of the over 50's voted to leave, probably because they are influenced by too many right wing newspapers. They ramble on about the war, as if they were there and as if it were relevant in the Leave/Remain debate - which it isn't. Most of them haven't got a first clue about what WTO rules are. Or the Irish border issues, nor do they understand what damage leaving without a deal would do to our economy, according to the Govt's own Brexit department. But slogans which mean nothing, like 'leave means leave' are important to them...

The majority of over 50's support the buffoon that is Johnson - who recently said "F--- business" and told the fire service to 'get stuffed' after closing several stations down in London. Spent £44m on a bridge that was never built, and helped to extend the sentence of a British national in jail in Iran because of his incompetence.

If a village idiot like BaggieAl, who can barely string a sentence together, advocates him - then that is all you need to know!

Myself and 68 are called village idiots - anybody who voted out is thick - Boris is a buffoon!

You clearly are deluded and have mental issues! The right medication can help you so don’t delay!

PS - I know a good few students who love Boris and perhaps they can relate it to his Oxbridge days! Perhaps that’s your problem - you did not get the grades to go to a decent uni or you failed politics in your A Levels!