The grim reality of Israel...

[The Bedlington Terrier]

Nothing to do at all with the Palestinians then Balan:

I managed to locate about a hundred of these land seizure orders for "military reasons". All authentic, all documented evidence of the long term policy to force:
Segregation.
Apartheid.
Deprivation.
Ghettoization.
Genocide.

Israel Defense Forces
Order to Seize lands n0 05/13/T
According to my authorities as a Military Chief Commander in the Region of Judea and Samaria, and as I believe that it is imperative for military reasons due to the special security situation in the region, I order the following:
2. The 'Map' signed in scale 1: 100000 and attached to the order is an essential part of this order. The 'Lands' : An area of land which is 262.2 dunums marked in red in the map :
Block 3: Wad Al Asker, Kalet Al Marhaf, Al Jarer, Bedo parcel and Shakshak parcel.
Block 4: Korom Al Shek.
Block 1: Al Mahmy, Shaa'b Al Hajas and Sharara.
6. I announce by that the above mentioned lands are seized for military reasons
7. The IDF seize the lands and have an absolute control over it that is given to the officer of the central command officer of lands who is responsible in the ministry of defense.
8. These copies are to be given by the District Co-ordination Office 'The DCO' of Ramallah to the owners of land.
9. Copies are found with maps for those who are interested in the following places :
DCO of Ramallah.
Offices of the Juridical advisor in the region
The office of commander responsible in the ministry of defense in the civil administration.
Office responsible of absentee and public lands in the civil administration.
9. The owners of land have the right to go to the DCO in Ramallah in order to get more information about their right of land use expenses and compensation.
10. The Validity of this order starts at the date signed till 31/12/2007
11. The name of this order is: ' Order to seize lands n0 05/13/T (Judea & Samaria ) 2005
Mosheh Kaplenski
Chief Commander of The Israel Defense Forces in Judea & Samaria
-Signature
Military order no. (05/11/T Judea & Samaria 2005)
Israel Defense Forces
Order to Seize lands n0 05/11/T
According to my authorities as a Military Chief Commander in the Region of Judea and Samaria, and as I believe that it is imperative for military reasons due to the special security situation in the region, I order the following:
3. The 'Map' signed in scale 1: 100000 and attached to the order is an essential part of this order. The 'Lands' : An area of land which is 176.6 dunums marked in red in the map :
Block 3: Al Baqa'a, Ashal, Al Mojahda, Khalet Al Josor and Al Mojeb.
Block 4: Al Aoreed, Karm, Ashmala, Ras Al Mades and Khalet Al Yaber.
Block 6: Thaher Al Hamer.
10. I announce by that the above mentioned lands are seized for military reasons
11. The IDF seize the lands and have an absolute control over it that is given to the officer of the central command officer of lands who is responsible in the ministry of defense.
12. These copies are to be given by the District Co-ordination Office 'The DCO' of Ramallah to the owners of land.
13. Copies are found with maps for those who are interested in the following places :
DCO of Ramallah.
Offices of the Juridical advisor in the region
The office of commander responsible in the ministry of defense in the civil administration.
Office responsible of absentee and public lands in the civil administration.
12. The owners of land have the right to go to the DCO in Ramallah in order to get more information about their right of land use expenses and compensation.
13. The Validity of this order starts at the date signed till 31/12/2007
The name of this order is: ' Order to seize lands n0 05/11/T (Judea & Samaria ) 2005
Mosheh Kaplenski
Chief Commander of The Israel Defense Forces in Judea & Samaria
-Signature

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I would like verification if you don't mind BT, to me it looks very much like the fence Obama constructed to keep the Mexicans out. Are you sure it isn't ? I'm not convinced you're even on the right continent. Have a look for yourself.

https://edition.cnn.com/interactive/...all-cnnphotos/

You are staring to worry me sinkov. When you don't want to believe real evidence you revert to Trump's FAKE NEWS rhetoric. Some gullible eejits fall for it, but there are a growing number of Global Citizens who don't fall for his disingenuous claptrap.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

MORE FAKE NEWS SHOCK:

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/ne...ead-of-release

[Balanbam00]

BT:
The only binding resolution of international law, a resolution which has never been countermanded to this very day, is the July 1922 Mandate for Palestine. Adopted by the League of Nations, that resolution recognized the “historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.” It called for the creation of a Jewish national homeland anywhere west of the Jordan River.

Once the League of Nations was disbanded and the United Nations formed in its stead, the international community agreed to maintain all agreements and not “alter in any manner the rights whatsoever of any states or any peoples or the terms of existing international instruments to which Members of the United Nations may respectively be parties.” [Article 80, UN Charter, emphasis added] This provision wasn’t inserted by accident; it was known as “the Jewish People’s clause” at the time it was adopted in 1945 in order to enshrine the 1922 Mandate into international law.

The Mandate for Palestine adopted by the League of Nations was the last legally binding document delineating regional borders.

In Article 5 of the Mandate it explicitly states “The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power.”
The Palestine Mandate (and Iraq) was given to Britain to serve as a temporary trustee based on the resolution between the four principle Allied Powers in April 1920 at the San Remo Conference in Italy, which was signed by 51 nations. It was at that conference where the world powers adopted the 1917 Balfour Declaration (which originally allocated the eastern part of the Mandate for a Jewish state as well) creating a Jewish state. This same conference that created the Jewish state west of the Jordan River also created Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Iraq as Arab states.
The legality of the 1922 Mandate was adopted that same year by the U.S. Congress in H.J. Res. 360 and signed by President Warren Harding. The newly created Arab country of Jordan attacked Israel in 1948 seeking to annihilate its inhabitants and illegally occupied Judea and Samaria until 1967. That year, Israel won back the territory originally allocated for a Jewish State as part of the 1922 League of Nations agreement.

There is no such thing as “’pre-67 borders.” They were merely 1949 armistice lines between Israel and neighboring countries after they launched an illegal war of extermination. It has nothing to do with the notion of a unique Arab “Palestinian” entity west of the Jordan River. There was never any internationally recognized legal sovereign occupying Judea and Samaria from the time the British Empire fell until 1967. Jordan’s occupation of the area west of the Jordan River was never recognized. To the extent there is an Arab Palestinian state it is the modern state of Jordan, which already sucked up 77% of the original Mandate of Palestine allocated for a Jewish State under the first plan of the Balfour Declaration.

Repeat: The newly created Arab country of Jordan attacked Israel in 1948 seeking to annihilate its inhabitants and illegally occupied Judea and Samaria until 1967.

Jordan’s occupation of the area west of the Jordan River was never recognized. To the extent there is an Arab Palestinian state it is the modern state of Jordan, which already sucked up 77% of the original Mandate of Palestine allocated for a Jewish State under the first plan of the Balfour Declaration.

The only binding resolution of international law, a resolution which has never been countermanded to this very day, is the July 1922 Mandate for Palestine.

[sinkov]

You are staring to worry me sinkov. When you don't want to believe real evidence you revert to Trump's FAKE NEWS rhetoric. Some gullible eejits fall for it, but there are a growing number of Global Citizens who don't fall for his disingenuous claptrap.

So now we're in agreement BT, photos of walls are meaningless, they could be anywhere, USA, Israel, China, who knows, and built for any purpose, to keep people in, to keep people out.
Just one difference, yours is unattributed, could be anywhere, probably FAKE, my link is to a CNN site, not the Donald's favourite broadcaster, and if you're saying they're fake, you're also saying the US/Mexico border fence doesn't exist.
Maybe you are saying that, you do seem to become ever so slightly un-hinged whenever the subject of Israel is discussed. But it does exist, Obama spent a fortune on it, the Donald wants to improve it, honest it's real, it's there.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

I don't like walls sinkov. I like difference, I like liberty, I dislike very much the privatisation of space and why coterminous boundaries have to be walled off is beyond me.

Hadrian tried it, that did not go well. But then again I'm a Socialist and I actually rather like people, there are of course the odd exceptions!

[Balanbam00]

Bt : Think of it as you and your neighbour ,living a semi -detached house have a shared lawn, alls well, no trouble. But then the neighbour buy's two dogs , the dogs make so much damage on your lawn. You try to speak with him but he will not listen .Now the question what will you do?
Solution :
You build a fence and the dogs can not damage your lawn now. Your happy and live in peace. Agreed?

[army88]

I don't like walls sinkov. I like difference, I like liberty, I dislike very much the privatisation of space and why coterminous boundaries have to be walled off is beyond me.

Hadrian tried it, that did not go well. But then again I'm a Socialist and I actually rather like people, there are of course the odd exceptions!

They are all it Bt as Sinkov says even Obama had a go ( not publicised though until Trump made power ). ( building walls that is - said that on here before it was ok for Obama to do it but not Trump ).
I do sympathise with the conflict above but I also and more importantly sympathise with it in my own country, I’m disgusted at how people are treat here especially the likes of ex servicemen on the street s with nothing when they gave everything for our country.
I know that comes away from the conflict we’re discussing but I’d just like us to get our own house in order and then worry about else where.

Just a thought - I wander if there is a politician anywhere who thinks the same.

It’s embarrassing when you think what goes on in our country without a second glance and yet we are fixated on Israel.

[sinkov]

I don't like walls sinkov. I like difference, I like liberty, I dislike very much the privatisation of space and why coterminous boundaries have to be walled off is beyond me.

Hadrian tried it, that did not go well. But then again I'm a Socialist and I actually rather like people, there are of course the odd exceptions!

You don't have a wall or fence round your garden then BT, it's open for all to share ? Your neighbour's dogs and cat are free to **** in it, the local kids can play football in it, do you also provide a barby for public use on those sultry, hot Bolton summer nights ? My admiration for your public-spiritedness knows no bounds, I think an MBE must be in the offing.

"I actually rather like people, there are of course the odd exceptions!"

Well there you go BT, you could have fooled me. You rather like everyone, except anyone who votes Tory, anyone who votes LibDem, anyone on the Blairite wing of the Labour Party, anyone who voted for UKIP or now votes for Sir Nigel's Brexit party, the 60 million Americans who voted for Trump, the Royal Family and the millions who support and admire them, anyone who earns over £80k a year, in other words anyone you would you would class as a rich *******, Capitalists, Jews, Israelis, Saudis, Daily Mail readers, Telegraph readers, Sun readers, bloody hell I'm going to be here all night. Help me out here please BT, just list who it is you DO like, that would be easier, and much quicker.

[The Bedlington Terrier]

They are all it Bt as Sinkov says even Obama had a go ( not publicised though until Trump made power ). ( building walls that is - said that on here before it was ok for Obama to do it but not Trump ).
I do sympathise with the conflict above but I also and more importantly sympathise with it in my own country, I’m disgusted at how people are treat here especially the likes of ex servicemen on the street s with nothing when they gave everything for our country.
I know that comes away from the conflict we’re discussing but I’d just like us to get our own house in order and then worry about else where.

Just a thought - I wander if there is a politician anywhere who thinks the same.

It’s embarrassing when you think what goes on in our country without a second glance and yet we are fixated on Israel.

Separate issue for me army88. Until we get a Labour government that holds an ethos which promotes fairness, solidarity, socialism, equality, compassion, tolerance and respect, we will continue to see the ever increasing disparity between the haves and the have nots. Incidentally, it's only the Tory Party who seem to think it's OKAY to have our ex-servicemen sleeping rough on the streets...
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