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    Dead easy that one sinkov, I kind of like people who realise fairness, solidarity, socialism, equality, compassion, tolerance and respect are the watchwords of a civilised society and act on them. For the many not the few, which sort of exempts phooking eejits like these two parasites...

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    Dear B T: It's a wonderful day here in the M E, 9:30 am, sunny with a few clouds, 25 C, later to reach 27 C .right now 27 C in my home, so I switch on the A/C .Yes, and to 'Footymad'.

    So then what you write ''I kind of like people who realise fairness, solidarity, socialism, equality, compassion, tolerance and respect are the watchwords of a civilised society.

    I did not add ''and act on them.'' For there lies the problem.

    .....and those words ''fairness, solidarity, socialism, equality, compassion, tolerance and respect.'' They belong to the Book, Grimm's 'Fairy Tales',words that are caught by the winds and lofted into the 'make believe world', that never exists!

    Equality or fairness can never be ,when no two atoms are the same, how can it be?

    fairness:
    The British made a mess of things ,for example in many places of the world ,but lets take the M E problem. The only binding resolution of international law, a resolution which has never been countermanded to this very day, is the July 1922 Mandate for Palestine. Adopted by the League of Nations, that resolution recognized the “historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country.” It called for the creation of a Jewish national homeland anywhere west of the Jordan River.

    That Labour great comedian J C, has called certain groups 'friends'. So how would Labour add its fairness to the problem? Remember ,''It called for the creation of a Jewish national homeland anywhere west of the Jordan River.(1922 Mandate for Palestine. Adopted by the League of Nations,the only binding resolution of international law?

    solidarity:
    Unity or agreement of feeling or action. Take the Arab world Sunni and Shia ? Can there be solidarity there? ( I heard a Sunni Moslem say ''they are not true Moslem's!!'') So can there be solidarity there ? Take note the whole world is full of conflicts ,and you speak of solidarity?

    socialism:
    A political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole. ( that means centeralization?) - the concentration of control of an activity or organization under a single authority? It did not work anywhere? So with Labour Government it will work?

    equality:
    Remember those two atoms? That word, didn't it leave on the first Sputnik,into space?

    compassion:
    With such a cry these days 'Free Palestine,' etc etc. Yet, when Palestinians are bombed in Yarmuk refugee camp by the Syrians (or the Russians?) whatever,not much of compassion there,or with the worlds media ? Or the Rohingyas in Burma? Australia resettled refugees in offshore islands in the Pacific, 200 children being sent from Australia to Nauru . I am sure many more cases all over the world.

    tolerance and respect:
    You have the idea now that all these words left this earth long ago.

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    I live just 2 km's from the beach and passed it last night.



    It was alreasdy 7 pm when I took this ,at 2 pm it was packed



    where is the closest td bank to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    we will continue to see the ever increasing disparity between the haves and the have nots.
    More FAKE news ?

    From the 'Income inequality in the UK' report, authors Feargal McGuinness, Daniel Harari, Commons Briefing Papers CBP-7484, published House of Commons Library May 20th 2019.

    "In the UK, inequality in household incomes has remained at a roughly similar level since the early 1990s, but is higher than during the 1960s and 1970s. While the share of income going to the top 1% of individuals by household income increased during the 1990s and 2000s, there was some reduction in inequality among the rest of the population (based on incomes before housing costs) with the result that inequality overall was fairly stable during this period."
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    I remember these two wi(a)nkers, Fergal McGuinness and Daniel Harari who contrived this nonsense they called "Commons Briefing Papers CBP-7484", published House of Commons Library May 20th 2019, written by the Tories for the Tories.

    You really must try harder sinkov. I'll bet your Accrington Grammar School Report was jam packed with those words?

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    Ride for Peace, Not everything is about hate!

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...-border-593353

    Israelis and Palestinians cycled and ran in unison on Friday on both sides of the Gaza border in a historic solidarity event.

    "I think it's a very big statement and message, that first of all, the initiative came from Gaza. They wanted this and we are just supporting their call for action," Budo for Peace founder Danny Hakim said. "And I think we had a nice first time. We got many people to come from all over the area and I think it has inspired them. And as you heard, they are very keen to continue and they are not going to give up. it may be small now, a hundred maybe two hundred of them but, hopefully with this publicity, that will grow and that's what we want.

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    Ride for Peace, Not everything is about hate!

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...-border-593353

    Israelis and Palestinians cycled and ran in unison on Friday on both sides of the Gaza border in a historic solidarity event.

    "I think it's a very big statement and message, that first of all, the initiative came from Gaza. They wanted this and we are just supporting their call for action," Budo for Peace founder Danny Hakim said. "And I think we had a nice first time. We got many people to come from all over the area and I think it has inspired them. And as you heard, they are very keen to continue and they are not going to give up. it may be small now, a hundred maybe two hundred of them but, hopefully with this publicity, that will grow and that's what we want.
    How did the Palestinians get across the border?

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    ....How did the Palestinians get across the border?

    Remember they built tunnels so they smuggled their bikes across BT : They were on their side of the border,Israelis on their side !

    But look at this .....WATCH: Israel brings its agricultural know-how to 140 developing countries.

    https://www.israelandstuff.com/watch...SuFvk.facebook

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    Israel’s Arava International Center for Agriculture Training (AICAT) teaches students from developing countries around the world about Israeli water conservation technologies and crop/greenhouse management.

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    This week, Bahrain is expected to host the Trump administration’s Israeli-Palestinian “Peace to Prosperity” economic conference, where the White House plans to put forth its “economic vision” for Palestinian-Arabs living in the Palestinian territories. U.S. Envoy to the Middle East Jason Greenblatt expressed hope that the conference would facilitate an exchange of ideas about how to expand the struggling Palestinian economy.

    The White House’s plan includes a $50 billion Palestinian investment and infrastructure proposal, which is projected to create at least 1 million new jobs for Palestinians. The investments are directed at Palestinians living both inside and outside the territories, including those in Lebanon, Egypt, and Jordan. The White House hopes to encourage Arab donor nations to invest in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

    Despite the economic aims of the conference, Palestinian officials have dismissed it, expressing that they will not attend what they believe to be a bribery scheme to force Palestinians to stop seeking self-determination through a Palestinian state. What is ironic about Palestinian demands for statehood is that Article I of the Palestinian Liberation Organization charter (the governing document of Palestinian leadership) makes no assertion of an actual state in Palestine, instead just of an “Arab homeland,” indicating a pan-Arab nationalism, not a distinctly Palestinian nationalism.

    The charter states, “Palestine is an Arab homeland bound by strong Arab national ties to the rest of the Arab Countries and which together form the great Arab homeland.” Furthermore, there is none of the requisite “quid pro quo” that typically defines a bribery scheme. In other words, the United States expects nothing from the Palestinian-Arabs in return for our investments.

    While leaders of the ruling Fatah faction have encouraged the Arab states to boycott the conference, the Trump administration has succeeded in getting seven Arab states to agree to attend the economic workshop, including Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, the United Arab Emirates, and Qatar. Indeed, Bahrain’s agreement to host is alone an astounding achievement.

    Boycotting a conference explicitly designed to advance the economy of the Palestinian people evinces a great deal about Palestinian leaders’ actual objectives. Such maneuvers reveal that Palestinian leaders have no genuine interest in improving the lives of their people, but are more vested in perpetuating their people’s suffering for political gain on the international stage.

    In addition to pressuring Arab states to refrain from attending (or in the case of Bahrain, from hosting), Palestinian officials also pressured Palestinian businesspeople not to attend. Even so, they would benefit from the opportunity to meet with some of the world’s largest sovereign wealth funds.

    Palestinian authorities have stated that anyone who attends the conference will be deemed a “traitor,” projecting a culture of fear onto the meeting and forcing many Palestinian-Arabs to weigh the possible economic gains against the violent retribution Fatah, the governing Palestinian political party, has promised.

    Fatah has also called for “days of violence” against Israel in response to the conference, which anyone with a modicum of political acumen realizes is stunningly obtuse, given the conference is geared towards aiding Palestinians and Israeli officials aren’t even in attendance. Indeed, out of a desire to avoid politicizing the event, the Palestinians’ decision not to attend prompted the Trump administration to refrain from extending a formal invitation to Israeli officials.

    The Palestinian Authority also attended a “counter-conference” in Bahrain last week, titled “The Holocaust of the Century in Bahrain… Its Signs, Consequences, and Ways to Deal With It,” bizarrely applying terminology that describes Nazis’ genocide against the Jews to an economic conference with a $50 billion proposed investment.

    The boycott and calls for violence rehash the same unproductive methods the Palestinians have used in the past to thwart peace measures, only this time the incoherence of the boycott is made more evident by the fact Israel will not even attend. Palestinian leaders continue to promulgate the notion that the workshop is some devious machination of the West or President Trump or both, despite many Palestinian-Arab neighbors agreeing to attend and host.

    If anything, their attendance shows the Palestinian-Arabs’ gradual isolation among the Gulf States, who have grown weary of the Palestinian Authority’s political gymnastics and obsession with destroying their Jewish neighbors. Bahrain will prove another missed opportunity for Palestinian leadership to engage with their neighbors in a significant way. Palestinian leadership sees the political capital to be had in human suffering, so any attempts to mitigate such suffering meet serious skepticism from Palestinian officials.

    Since rejecting the suggested partitioning the 1937 Peel Commission, Arab leaders have thwarted the creation of an Arab state west of the Jordan River more than six times, depending on whether one considers refusal to talk to mean refusing the possibility of a state. Thus, if anything is to be gleaned from the Bahrain conference boycott, it is that the Palestinian leadership does not have a genuine interest in bettering the lives of their own people—and perhaps that they are quite unprepared for actual statehood.

    Erielle Davidson is a Senior Contributor at the Federalist and a law student at Georgetown University Law Center.

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    B T: I know your coming in September here, don't worry the IDF is here!!!

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Ru...y-Radio-593849

    RUSSIA REPORTEDLY INTERFERED WITH AIR NAVIGATION IN ISRAEL
    Senior Israel officials believe Russia has been disrupting civilian aircraft navigation systems for the past three week, according to reports released Thursday morning. Army Radio called the move a "hostile attack."
    Israel Airports Authority announced Wednesday that pilots were having difficulty landing, experiencing mysterious disruptions. To resolve the issue, Israel has sent a defense official to Russia to discuss the disruption, Army Radio reported.
    Russia has denied the report.



    IAF F-35'S TRAIN WITH US AND UK F-35'S FOR FIRST TIME

    https://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/IA...st-time-593837

    During the exercise, known as Tri-Lightning, Israeli F-35's trained alongside F-35's from the US and UK over the Mediterranean Sea. IAF forces practiced defense scenarios against changing threats in various advanced fighter aircraft, including the F-35.

    The F-35s from the three nations acted as primarily friendly players in the Tri-Lightning exercise while a variety of other aircraft played the "aggressor roles," according to a US Air Force press release. This simulated "realistic combat situations" between the advanced F-35s and previous generation fighters.

    UK Wing Commander John Butcher, Squadron 617 commanding officer said , according to the US Air Force press release. “In addition it allowed us to share and gain valuable experience that we will be able to exploit during future training and potentially operational deployments, whether embedded on the Queen Elizabeth or from overseas air bases.”


    I am sure what the IDF knows about flying under soviet radar S-300 and S 400,they will pass it on to the UK's pilots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    I remember these two wi(a)nkers, Fergal McGuinness and Daniel Harari who contrived this nonsense they called "Commons Briefing Papers CBP-7484", published House of Commons Library May 20th 2019, written by the Tories for the Tories.

    You really must try harder sinkov. I'll bet your Accrington Grammar School Report was jam packed with those words?
    This is the problem you lefties continually have BT, when your vague statements, rhetoric and ideology come up against the hard facts. It was ever thus and always will be, it's why I said on another thread, you live in an Alice in Wonderland political world. We have a Tory Party disintegrating in front of our eyes, a government in melt-down, and the Labour Party continues it's love-in with anti-semites and runs at 20% in the polls. You're in trouble mon ami, and no mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    This is the problem you lefties continually have BT, when your vague statements, rhetoric and ideology come up against the hard facts. It was ever thus and always will be, it's why I said on another thread, you live in an Alice in Wonderland political world. We have a Tory Party disintegrating in front of our eyes, a government in melt-down, and the Labour Party continues it's love-in with anti-semites and runs at 20% in the polls. You're in trouble mon ami, and no mistake.
    In my heart I want a left of centre Labour Prime Minister like Corbyn, but being the pragmatic sort I will settle for some photogenic middle right socialist who can get a Labour government back into power.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    In my heart I want a left of centre Labour Prime Minister like Corbyn, but being the pragmatic sort I will settle for some photogenic middle right socialist who can get a Labour government back into power.
    Bloody hell BT, I'm struggling to find a right-wing Tory, they're all to the left of Tony Blair nowadays, and you're talking about middle right socialists. Life was so much simpler when it was the blessed Margaret and Norman Tebbit on one side, Scargill, Foot and Benn on the other. You knew where you stood in those days, this lot are just taking the piss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    Bloody hell BT, I'm struggling to find a right-wing Tory, they're all to the left of Tony Blair nowadays, and you're talking about middle right socialists. Life was so much simpler when it was the blessed Margaret and Norman Tebbit on one side, Scargill, Foot and Benn on the other. You knew where you stood in those days, this lot are just taking the piss.
    Sometimes I trawl through old newspaper cuttings just to remind myself what a totally messed up and shoite world we live in...

    https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/29/m...-st=1561745884

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    Palestinian children treated in Israeli hospitals.

    https://youtu.be/T3MgybPSEKM


    Children from Gaza with heart disease treated in Israel.

    https://youtu.be/vFLRgYURoqs

    The Gazan boy that Israel gave the ability to hear.

    https://youtu.be/7rt97Q1L0FM
    The delightfully named US Senator Debbie Dingell – has joined a roster of 19 legislators in cosponsoring H.R.2407 – Promoting Human Rights for Palestinian Children Living Under Israeli Military Occupation Act.


    The bill was introduced on the House floor by U.S. Rep. Betty McCollum (D-MN) in April and was referred to the House Committee on Foreign Affairs.
    In her introductory remarks, McCollum urged Congress to act on behalf of innocent Palestinian children brutalized by Israel’s military forces.
    “Israel’s system of military detention of Palestinian children must be condemned and it must stop,” she said. “At a minimum, U.S. funding for this state-sponsored child abuse must be explicitly prohibited by law and fully monitored and enforced by the State Department. The detention and ill-treatment of Palestinian children is a cruel and intentional tactic of Israel’s military occupation. It is intended to terrorize, inflict fear and send an unmistakable message that Palestinian lives lack value.”

    At last a US Senator will take ownership of this dreadful Human Rights debacle perpetrated on the weakest.
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    Lets just have this right now.

    nobody here really gives a **** about Palestine or Jerusalem or Amman or Kabul. But hey if it serves your political leanings then jump on board.

    I really couldn't give a toss if Jeremy is anti semetic or Boris has a problem with his feelings for Moslems or any other religion. Why - because they are icons of your political point scoring pleasure.

    I lived in Israel for a year in the early 80's - it was a fine welcoming multi cultural country then. I visited back in January of this year. It is a fine multi cultural and diverse country. There are political and religious nutcases there as there are here. Cross the border into Syria and Egypt and there are equally fine and diverse countries.

    The common thorn that divides all countries is Religion and Politics. People across the world want to party cooperate with each other and be happy. Politics and religion always pisses on the party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaspertheClaret View Post
    Lets just have this right now.

    nobody here really gives a **** about Palestine or Jerusalem or Amman or Kabul. But hey if it serves your political leanings then jump on board.

    I really couldn't give a toss if Jeremy is anti semetic or Boris has a problem with his feelings for Moslems or any other religion. Why - because they are icons of your political point scoring pleasure.

    I lived in Israel for a year in the early 80's - it was a fine welcoming multi cultural country then. I visited back in January of this year. It is a fine multi cultural and diverse country. There are political and religious nutcases there as there are here. Cross the border into Syria and Egypt and there are equally fine and diverse countries.

    The common thorn that divides all countries is Religion and Politics. People across the world want to party cooperate with each other and be happy. Politics and religion always pisses on the party.
    Well said Casper!! My experience of dealing with and travelling to over 70 countries of the world.
    Ordinary people being screwed by politics and religion just about hits the nail on the head.

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    I am afraid our Casper has not been reading posts when it comes to the Palestine issue.Perhaps I do not give a **** about Jerusalem or Amman or Kabul etc ,but I do care when my country is being threatened! When my very existence is threatened!!! Take the cities in England ,no you also do not care, Manchester, Newcastle etc ,but England is not under any threat nor its existence. Our great grandfathers etc went off to war ,1940's etc. They went because England ,was under threat, also like now, the people wanted to just party and co-operate with one another.But people have beliefs,they care about health,our planet,society etc ,and form political parties!!! But those that go into politics ,we find they have no moral characteristic, and there is nothing in the society and leadership which can control the behaviour and actions of these elite personal. Many when given that power they become corrupt. Religion too has its faults today, it has become dogmatic,the followers think ''my religion is the truth ,other religions are false !''The it has divided society into 'we and they'. So then if ordinary people are being screwed by politics and religion,its time for a REAL change,not just Labour,Tory,Labour ,Tory (and also not the L D's,) no changes there the system,still Capitalism and still Political voting!

    If some imaginary idea,was that the Russian's ,were building some advance missile systems in Ireland, and English people had the fear of war etc. Would then young men then enlist into the forces ,or just want to party??

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaspertheClaret View Post
    Lets just have this right now.

    nobody here really gives a **** about Palestine or Jerusalem or Amman or Kabul. But hey if it serves your political leanings then jump on board.

    I really couldn't give a toss if Jeremy is anti semetic or Boris has a problem with his feelings for Moslems or any other religion. Why - because they are icons of your political point scoring pleasure.

    I lived in Israel for a year in the early 80's - it was a fine welcoming multi cultural country then. I visited back in January of this year. It is a fine multi cultural and diverse country. There are political and religious nutcases there as there are here. Cross the border into Syria and Egypt and there are equally fine and diverse countries.

    The common thorn that divides all countries is Religion and Politics. People across the world want to party cooperate with each other and be happy. Politics and religion always pisses on the party.
    It's that sort of public apathy that is allowing "Concentration Camps" on the Mexican border and kids in Palestine being subjected to casual genocide. Real problems need serious people who will bear those responsibilities. Fortunately, I believe a new generation of politicians who actually give a flying phuck are on the cusp and the kids in Yemen, Gaza, El Paso and Syria might have a chance after all.

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    BT:

    ....''and kids in Palestine being subjected to casual genocide''.

    ......'' I believe a new generation of politicians ''.

    Oh dear ,not yet ,not in their world. Some of their leaders 'Hamas' brainwash this new generation to believe, ''that is your country ,these people have stolen it from us, we will fight, rip out their hearts and liberate or lands''
    It is their leaders that constantly spread these lies! Where then is the new politician that will put into effect your ideas of wisdom?

    In Yemen, its the same. How do poor people in the desert find cash to buy rockets and such weapons? Or which country donates to this resistance we are seeing? What leaders are telling them fire rockets on the Saudis? Take hold of the port of Hurghada, control Yemens imports. The the western media fires at us with millions of Yemenis are starving ,Saudis are hitting civilians etc etc. If the Houthis control the Red sea, ships from the east to Britain and Europe would have to pass South Africa.

    Syria: How can a dictator Assad rule Syria differently now than before? He rules with a very strong Iron hand!!!!

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