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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    I'm sick of hearing this argument army88. Chester Zoo brings in loads of revenue, but we don't go down on our knees to worship them, do we?

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    How very un - British of you Bt hardly the same comparison is it?

    I get the argument both ways but I bet if you checked properly a lot of people travel from all over the world
    To see the Royals and The buildings they frequent.

    This contributes to our economy indirectly and keeps many in jobs

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    Quote Originally Posted by army88 View Post
    How very un - British of you Bt hardly the same comparison is it?

    I get the argument both ways but I bet if you checked properly a lot of people travel from all over the world
    To see the Royals and The buildings they frequent.

    This contributes to our economy indirectly and keeps many in jobs
    Honestly army88, the "Royal Family" make the heckles on the back of my neck stand up. Ostentatious wealth and privilege by birth right really should be consigned to the history books. The Russians had the right idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Honestly army88, the "Royal Family" make the heckles on the back of my neck stand up. Ostentatious wealth and privilege by birth right really should be consigned to the history books. The Russians had the right idea.
    Perhaps so, BT, however, the Kinnocks and the Blairs, good socialists all, have been making a good attempt to emulate
    anything which the Royals do. Ostentatious wealth and working hard on the privilege by birth right. Our local MP seems to work hard on this score too, although he does have a long way to go.

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    Perhaps so, BT, however, the Kinnocks and the Blairs, good socialists all, have been making a good attempt to emulate
    anything which the Royals do. Ostentatious wealth and working hard on the privilege by birth right. Our local MP seems to work hard on this score too, although he does have a long way to go.
    We, the taxpayers and working class proletariat are being subjected to one gigantic con Supersub6. It really needs to stop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    We, the taxpayers and working class proletariat are being subjected to one gigantic con Supersub6. It really needs to stop...

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    You know, as well as I do, that it will not stop, no matter who is running the country.
    The proletariat have no real say in what happens, apart from the token gesture that the ruling class will let you vote.
    However, because of the way the country is divided into constituencies, your vote can easily count for nothing depending where you live.
    The only fair way to remedy this would be to have proportional representation, however, that is not a popular idea amongst a lot of politicians.

    Life goes on and the only thing any of us can do is just get on with things and try to look after those who are less fortunate. Meanwhile ---the con continues!

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    We tried Proportional Representation with the Brexit vote Supersub6, that went well did it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    We tried Proportional Representation with the Brexit vote Supersub6, that went well did it not?
    As I said, it is something that goes against the grain for politicians!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post

    Labour Party Policy Forum consultation event – Local Economic Development – Friday 28 June – ATTENDANCE CONFIRMATION
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    "the National Policy Forum Local Economic Development consultation on Friday."
    Good god, do such forums still exist, I thought they vanished with the long overdue demise of the Soviet Union, but apparently not. It's a grand nostalgia trip for you lefties though isn't it BT, just don't go cooking them tractor production figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    Good god, do such forums still exist, I thought they vanished with the long overdue demise of the Soviet Union, but apparently not. It's a grand nostalgia trip for you lefties though isn't it BT, just don't go cooking them tractor production figures.
    Man up and admit it sinkov, you never even knew the Labour Party want to harness the brilliant business acumen of this country's entrepreneurs? It's time to unleash the power of "corporate socialism", (I just made that up, but you can see where we are going)?
    For the many not the few. Meanwhile homeless people are dying on the streets of Manchester...

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    "Man up" ? Is that still permissible on the left BT, you're probably OK on here, but that sort of phrase could get you into trouble in your Alice in Wonderland political world. I always had you down as a feminist ?

    So your little politburo chats away over beer and sandwiches, while homeless people die on the streets of Manchester. That's how it was in the good old USSR, except they were dying in the Gulags back then, out of sight and out of mind. Happy days eh, will you ever get them back, Jezza and John think it can be done, me I'm not so sure, maybe sitting around pretending is as close as you'll get ?

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    I was in a meeting in Manchester this morning. People bustling about, sun shining, cafes all full, Royal Arcade buzzing and yet there are tents with people sleeping on the streets in Market Street. We live in a broken society sinkov and until we get a Labour government back in Downing Street things are not going to get any better. FOR THE MANY NOT THE FEW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Man up and admit it sinkov, you never even knew the Labour Party want to harness the brilliant business acumen of this country's entrepreneurs? It's time to unleash the power of "corporate socialism", (I just made that up, but you can see where we are going)?
    For the many not the few. Meanwhile homeless people are dying on the streets of Manchester...
    I would just say BT that we famously are a nation of shopkeepers whilst the French have no aptitude for business. They don’t even have a word for entrepreneur. Imagine that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    I was in a meeting in Manchester this morning. People bustling about, sun shining, cafes all full, Royal Arcade buzzing and yet there are tents with people sleeping on the streets in Market Street. We live in a broken society sinkov and until we get a Labour government back in Downing Street things are not going to get any better.
    More lefty tripe BT, the number of homeless on our streets peaked in 2003, after 6 years of a Labour government, the current number is way down on that. My source, Department for Communities and Local Government, where do you get your figures from, or do you just make them up as you go along ?

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    I cant wait till we get the left in to see what an unholy f*** up they make of it all then we can all agree that politics is Royally f*****!

    Time for radical change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaspertheClaret View Post
    I cant wait till we get the left in to see what an unholy f*** up they make of it all then we can all agree that politics is Royally f*****!

    Time for radical change.
    Casper--- you will upset BT by using left --politics --and royally all in the same sentence. Never mention anything Royal in BT's presence ----he will go off on one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    More lefty tripe BT, the number of homeless on our streets peaked in 2003, after 6 years of a Labour government, the current number is way down on that. My source, Department for Communities and Local Government, where do you get your figures from, or do you just make them up as you go along ?
    I wished I had taken photos sinkov. I was simply posting what I saw this morning. The rich/poor divide is getting bigger, you can see it with your very own eyes.

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    And I'm simply reporting the facts BT, the latest homeless number I can find is less than half what it was in 2003, not my figures, you'll have to take it up with the Department for Communities and Local Government, and income inequality has barely altered for many years, again not my figures, I gave you the source, you can check those figures out as well.

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    Despite Andy Burnham's fine words about rough sleeping in Manchester, the reality is different.

    Here is a bit from an article by Vince Cable about it.

    After an evening with the medics I joined a campaign the following morning by Manchester Lib Dems on homelessness.

    The Labour council in Manchester, portrayed nationally as a beacon of enlightenment, has a harsher reputation at home. Its latest idea is a ‘homelessness tax’ (a system of spot fines at people who sleep rough in the town centre). Together with Big Issue North, our team have mobilised a big petition against a measure which follows a long tradition – embodied in the Vagrancy Act – of punishing the down and outs for being down and out. Or perhaps the Labour council think they just don’t fit the image of a successful, economically developing city and have to be cleaned out of sight.

    The political reaction to the campaign - organised by three Lib Dem councillors up against 97 Labour – has been enormous.


    https://www.libdems.org.uk/the-leade...0a35-312601721

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    So the LibDems latest stunt is to campaign for the rights of the homeless to sleep rough in Manchester city centre ? I think I'll just give my head a wobble, and get back outside, karchering the patio in the hot sunshine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Honestly army88, the "Royal Family" make the heckles on the back of my neck stand up. Ostentatious wealth and privilege by birth right really should be consigned to the history books. The Russians had the right idea.
    Sorry to intrude upon the 'Royal' debate with the latest facts and figures,

    Crown Estate contribution to the Treasury...£343 million.
    Treasury contribution to royal building maintenance, mostly Buckingham Palace...£33 million
    Sovereign Grant contribution to converting Frogmore Cottage into a house for the Duke and Duchess of Suffolk...£2.4 million.

    Draw your own conclusions.

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