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Thread: It's back, it won't go away, Part Two

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    That's what the Nazis said in the Warsaw ghetto and the East Germans warned on the Berlin Wall. The IDF using civilians for target practice with live ammo sort of chills my blood.
    So if the IDF are using civilians for target practice, why are Hamas encouraging, even ordering, their citizens to present themselves at the border to be used as target practice ? They're even sending their children to the border, what sort of people do this, it's inhuman, it really does chill the blood. What I find even more appalling are the useful idiots in the West who encourage Hamas in this self-defeating insanity.

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    The dude who was murdered was shepherding the civilians away from the IDF bullets. The IDF murdered him anyway.

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    Surely the only way this can be resolved is for both sides to recognise the others right to exist and to start a proper dialogue about the way forward? It would need a mediator to oversee the discussions and that CAN'T be the USA who have nailed their colours firmly to the Israeli cause.

    My iew is that the Palestinians have been badly abused and wronged for decades now and that there is certainly a concerted effort to shut down debate on anti-Israel thoughts by using the anti-semitism card - and this must not be allowed to happen. Israel's actions should be condemned whenever they use bullying, land pinching, over the top violence without being accused of being an anti semite.

    Having said that, it is clear that Labour has a big problem with genuine anti semitism which is counter productive to the whole issue and allows Israel and it's supporters to call "foul".

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    The dude who was murdered was shepherding the civilians away from the IDF bullets. The IDF murdered him anyway.
    Why was he sheperding them AWAY from the border ? What were they doing there in the first place, wouldn't he have been much better employed stopping them from going there in the first place ?

    How 'reliable' is the source anyway ? The IDF soldier does seem to have this uncanny knack of picking out the innocent ones in a vast crowd of ne'erdowells. How do they do it, how do they know ? It reminds me a bit of when the allies were bombing various middle eastern ****holes, despite all their laser guided equipment they always managed to hit only schools, hospitals and wedding parties. Perhaps these latest reports are just as reliable as those old ones were. In other words mostly sheer fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Last night I sat through one hour of the BBC's worst example of "investigative journalism" during a Panorama special on alleged "Anti-Semitism" in the Labour Party.

    The words "suggest", "I think", "shocked, horrified and appalled," were chucked about like confetti at a traditional wedding by a whole squad of disaffected, sacked or displaced former Labour Party staff.

    No evidence mind, no names, no collaborative evidence, just the usual anti-Corbyn nonsense. Time the BBC was rolled up, wrapped up and replaced with proper journalists like John Pilger. Now there's a journalist who can root out the "truth".
    Haven't seen it BT so I can't comment, I just have the PA report to go off, and that doesn't sound good.

    "Tom Watson claimed there was 'almost a permissive culture' towards anti-Jewish racism in the ranks." I think he's taking about what anyone else would call anti-semitism here.

    "Eight people told the BBC they were undermined in their attempts to tackle anti-semitism in the party."

    "Mr Watson said the party had failed to address the 'permissive culture' that people can use anti-semitic language in meetings and on social media."

    It's still not going away BT, the problem of anti-semitism in the Labour Party just seems to get worse. But of course, until you recognise that there is a problem you can't begin to address it. Doesn't bother me, I enjoy seeing the Labour Party tearing itself to bits, but one day mon ami, your lot are going to have pull their heads out of the sand and have a look around at the real world out here. And in this real world there is no room for racism or anti-semitism.

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    Tom Watson is a disingenuous slime bag. It cannot be regarded as respectable political tactics for Tom Watson to disparage Jenny Formby when she is battling with the demons of breast cancer and is currently continuing chemotherapy to tackle the disease.

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    Canny political operator Mr Watson BT, he's one of those you're better off with in the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in, which is where he is now.

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    He's not the only one with those views either is he?

    It seems to me that the party is split down the middle on this, and other, issues.

    Half of them are inside the tent pissing out and the other half are outside pissing in.

    Not a very pleasant place to be, whichever camp you are in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1959_60 View Post
    He's not the only one with those views either is he?

    It seems to me that the party is split down the middle on this, and other, issues.

    Half of them are inside the tent pissing out and the other half are outside pissing in.

    Not a very pleasant place to be, whichever camp you are in.
    You just have to feel really sorry for those sitting on the tent flap!

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    The reality is guys we are gearing up to win a General Election. A Labour Party with proper policies, redressing social injustice and righting the wrongs of a failed and quite disastrous Tory/Lib Dem coalition.

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    We need to get them Tories out asap BT, under the river bridge, just across from where we're moored up here in Lyon is a whole row of little tents, 100 yards long, perched precariously on the banks of the Rhone, homeless people surviving as best they can, there are beggars all over the city, clearly homeless, it's just like Manchester and every other UK city. Those savage Tory cuts are incredibly far reaching, even to the south of France.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    We need to get them Tories out asap BT, under the river bridge, just across from where we're moored up here in Lyon is a whole row of little tents, 100 yards long, perched precariously on the banks of the Rhone, homeless people surviving as best they can, there are beggars all over the city, clearly homeless, it's just like Manchester and every other UK city. Those savage Tory cuts are incredibly far reaching, even to the south of France.
    That's what a good dose of neo-liberalism mixed with a toxic blend of capitalism does for you sinkov. Hope you are enjoying your holiday and I am truly sorry to see the EU isn't working for everybody.

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    ....a genial French Saturday.


    l’acte 35 des Gilets jaunes


    ....with a relexing evening stoll ?

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1149444396645060609


    am overdue a visit - be nice to say - I can't wait.... .


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    A frightening image is that Norder. The Revolution failed obviously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    That's what a good dose of neo-liberalism mixed with a toxic blend of capitalism does for you sinkov. Hope you are enjoying your holiday and I am truly sorry to see the EU isn't working for everybody.
    Actually most of them were of African descent BT, I don't know exactly why they preferred to be homeless in France rather than their own countries, or what they were escaping from in their own countries, but I doubt it was neo-liberalism or savage Tory cuts that caused them to be living under a bridge in the south of France. Paradoxically it seems they find some hope for a better life under a toxic blend of neo-liberalism and capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    The Revolution failed obviously.
    Too soon to say yet really BT.

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    "The Labour Party welcomes everyone*, irrespective of race, creed, age, gender identity or sexual orientation." (*except it seems Jews)

    "This is your legacy Mr Corbyn"


    This is from an advert in the lefty rag the Guardian, paid for by about one third of Labour members of the House of Lords. Jesus fecking wept, is this how Labour Peers now have to communicate with the party leader, by taking out adverts in a newspaper ? This is what anti-Semitism, and their failure to address the problem. has done to Labour, it's now a completely dysfunctional political party.

    Where do you go from here BT ? Another leadership challenge ? The new slim-line Tom is on manoeuvres, you talk about a General Election, if Boris gets Brexit done he might well call one, and you'll be annihilated.

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    Jeremy Corbyn is the victim of an orchestrated witch hunt by the United Kingdom’s unelected political elite, ably supported by an element of disaffected British Jewry, who are in all probability funded by the State of Israel. This is scurrilous nonsense and we really should start fighting back. Free Palestine!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    Jeremy Corbyn is the victim of an orchestrated witch hunt by the United Kingdom’s unelected political elite, ably supported by an element of disaffected British Jewry, who are in all probability funded by the State of Israel. This is scurrilous nonsense and we really should start fighting back. Free Palestine!
    Probably too much detail here BT, but I'm just on the loo having a dump as I read the above, and it did make me chuckle, your post, not the dump, I should add. As to my question, where do you go from here, you really don't have an answer do you, and I can't help you either, even me, with all of my vast political acumen and experience, can't see a way out of this one for you.

    Sorry.

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    The capitalist ruling class in this country do not want a Marxist in Number 10 and by God, by hook or crook they will make sure we don't get one! Anti-Semitic my arse!
    Last night I attended a meeting in Bolton to listen to a Gaza Update with Dr Mona El-Farra.
    Dr. Mona El-Farra is the Director of Gaza Projects of the Middle East Children's Alliance (MECA), she is also a human rights and women’s rights activist, Vice President of the Palestinian Red Crescent Society of the Gaza Strip, and member of the Union of Health Work Committees. She is also founder of the Afaq Jadeeda Community Centre in Gaza. Her credentials are impeccable.
    Dr. Mona spoke of traumatised children effectively living in a constant war zone. Nutrition for the kids is a massive problem, medicinal drugs are in very short supply, clean drinking water is largely unavailable and hospital services are hugely compromised.
    She went on to talk about the adverse influence Hamas have regarding the wellbeing and health of the Palestinians living on the Gaza enclave. The dehumanising project the Israelis visit on the Palestinians and the negative impact of Hamas, puts the Palestinians in between an unenviable rock and hard place.
    World weary, but incredibly stoic is how Dr Mona came across to me. We must do better for the people of Palestine. Free Palestine now! That's also the message of Corbyn and the working classes, remember the story of Peterloo? It's happening again!

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