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There seems to be a bit of healthy disagreement over players and whether it is their fault that they didn't make it as a Miller or it's the management of our club that is at fault.
After the Morgan plus others episode whilst Steve Evans was at the club it is clear to all of the players that Tony Stewart will back his manager over his players.
I believe that it was the same when Warne took over and the Blackstock saga which left the club short of a player and a lot of money that could have been spent on other players.
We don't know what goes off at training sessions. We don't know what data is collected by the GPS that players now wear or how it is read.
The thing we seem to know is which player we like on the pitch. But what if the player is playing to his full potential and no matter how much coaching they give a player that player will not improve.
What if a player isn't pulling his weight and has more to give but doesn't want to. How do you treat this type of player? Do you keep going with them hoping that one day it'll click and the player starts to preform? Do you cut your loses and get rid so that you can invest in a player who can do the same job and is more open to the techniques that the coaching staff are applying?
Surely if you have complient players to the ideas and way you want to play it is better than having someone who doesn't want to be 100% behind the manager.
Some managers like Warnock can get out of a player that others can't but is that just a special gift that he has? Warne certainly couldn't do what Warnock did because the players that Warnock has won promotion with trust that he can do it!
But surely then Warne got us promoted ony two seasons ago and most of us think that he can do it, the chairman thinks that he can do it and the players that played under him will believe it. Will the new faces be able to believe in him straight away? I can't see why not albeit less so that the already experienced players under his charge.
Can every player be brought round to the managers way of thinking? Trained to play the way the manager wants? Should the players not able to adapt be set aside?
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Agree with most what you say Frog but () some players can only play a certain way or at a certain area.
The manager needs to know his players
If you look back on our games then you can see some players just weren’t good enough being moved out of position, Williams was one, where some might improve, Ajayi
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By that you're saying that if a manager has a player put under his charge that wasn't signed by him he has the right to releace him if it isn't working?Originally Posted by millertop
Agree with most what you say Frog but (
The manager needs to know his players
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Depends on what the manager is asking of the player, if a players fetched in for a certain position but gets moved out of position then isn’t the manager failing that player or even the club?
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Just a player that doesn't fit then?
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Possibly
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Wow - fundamentals.....
System to suit the players....
Players to suit the system....
Depends where you are in the building process and what players you already have.
The answer is not only is how long is the piece of string...but at what end are you holding it.
Cryptic enough for you...lol
Only kidding - but absolutely fundamental questions and dosh at its centre. Oh and where you want to be and when !
Sadly few managers start with a blank sheet of paper that's why sackings within 14 weeks of a season is football stupidity and any pro / pro manager will say that.
That's why Chairman should all have a hotline to such as Niel Warnock - Fergie or such as Raffa....Chairman get poor advice if it comes from close to the club or inside the club....independent advice is essential - no axes to grind then.
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In that same vein wouldn't it also be stupidity for a manager to walk out on a club after 5-6 weeks? Sometimes, one or both sides of a situation recognise that it's not going to work out no matter how long you give it.
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Confucius say light at end of tunnel was foo ok in oncoming tlain. KJ saw tlain and lan like glass hopper on hot plate.
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Assuming the manager has full responsibility for building a squad and ultimately a successful team, then he should definitely have the right to move any player on, whether he signed him or not.
We may not always understand or agree with some of the decisions that are made but as you said in the OP, we don't have all the facts or any real awareness of some issues that arise.
Ultimately the manager stands or falls by these sort of decisions and although some people will disagree with me, I don't think Paul Warne has done too badly in his time in charge given the constraints he has to work under, not to mention the unrealistic expectations of some of our supporters. UTM
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