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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    I know what you mean, but I didn't know he was a Conservative until I read his Wikipedia entry.

    What came across to me is that he thinks we deserve our fate, without being able to separate Hardy from the fans in that 'we'. Like Thatcher, he seems quite happy for businesses/communities to go to the wall if they can't pay their way. So although I didn't realise how right wing he clearly is, and I criticised his article on his shallow examination of our issues, I tend to agree with Sid on this occasion.

    Btw, it was a great contribution by Soccerman in the Nottingham Post comments, who found time amonst the Notts stories to go on about 'Steptoe'.
    He isn't, he's left-wing. He voted for he Conservatives once as a protest against Corbyn who he hates but has said he will never do so again. He wouldn't stand or The Brexit Party either because he thought they might be right-wing.
    BTW, he supports Millwall, not a big club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    It's a bloody awful article who someone who hasn't even tried to understand the issues in any depth. Take this: for in excess of 5m, which would be steepish for a lower-level Championship outfit

    I know of a 'lower-level Championship outfit' not far from here that has changed hands more than once for far, far more than that. I agree Hardy's asking price is too high, but what does this man know about the true value of lower league teams?
    Like it or not, Forest are not a "lower-level Championship outfit" they are a large club with an enviable trophy cabinet and a large fan base. They will always be sold for far more than one of the smaller, less famous clubs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrag View Post
    Like it or not, Forest are not a "lower-level Championship outfit" they are a large club with an enviable trophy cabinet and a large fan base. They will always be sold for far more than one of the smaller, less famous clubs.
    Are you not familiar with the lower echelons of the Championship table then? On loan to Division One? Recently promoted from League One more like. You were good in the late 70s, early 80s. Now you are ****e. Just accept it.

    2014/15 14th
    2015/16 16th
    2016/17 21st
    2017/18 17th.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...t_F.C._seasons

    Short memories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrag View Post
    He isn't, he's left-wing. He voted for he Conservatives once as a protest against Corbyn who he hates but has said he will never do so again. He wouldn't stand or The Brexit Party either because he thought they might be right-wing.
    BTW, he supports Millwall, not a big club.
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    Hes a racist wife beater who writes bullshi!t articles, about subjects of which he knows nothing.

    The Notts one is a typical example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_pie View Post
    Apart from the money put in by his Paragon enterprises why on earth should any other business have to suffer losses (well, Branston apart) on account of some egotistical trip. AFC Notts can serve the community so that argument does not stand. What do you want? Nationalisation!!
    No, I just want to have the Times version of Richard Littlejohn be a little less patronising and gloating about the failure of 'little clubs' like Notts. Looks like he may have to eat his words anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    Are you not familiar with the lower echelons of the Championship table then? On loan to Division One? Recently promoted from League One more like. You were good in the late 70s, early 80s. Now you are ****e. Just accept it.

    2014/15 14th
    2015/16 16th
    2016/17 21st
    2017/18 17th.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...t_F.C._seasons

    Short memories.
    I accept that, but Manchester City, Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds and Nottingham Forest (together with some others) can go down into League 1 and still pull in 20,000 crowds. The set-up of the clubs is more like a Premier League club than a League 1 club.

    If you had the choice of buying either Leeds United or Barnsley, even though the teams might be in the same position at the foot of the table you would pay far more for Leeds because of its name, recognisability worldwide, the facilities it has, its attractiveness to others and its ability to pull in 30,000 supporters at huge prices. I'm sorry if you don't recognise this but its a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bohinen View Post
    Are you not familiar with the lower echelons of the Championship table then? On loan to Division One? Recently promoted from League One more like. You were good in the late 70s, early 80s. Now you are ****e. Just accept it.

    2014/15 14th
    2015/16 16th
    2016/17 21st
    2017/18 17th.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...t_F.C._seasons

    Short memories.
    Just as a quick response to your, "you are ***e" comment.

    Would you really not prefer to be in our position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrag View Post
    Just as a quick response to your, "you are ***e" comment.

    Would you really not prefer to be in our position?
    Certainly not. That would makes us Forest fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redrag View Post
    I accept that, but Manchester City, Sheffield Wednesday, Leeds and Nottingham Forest (together with some others) can go down into League 1 and still pull in 20,000 crowds. The set-up of the clubs is more like a Premier League club than a League 1 club.

    If you had the choice of buying either Leeds United or Barnsley, even though the teams might be in the same position at the foot of the table you would pay far more for Leeds because of its name, recognisability worldwide, the facilities it has, its attractiveness to others and its ability to pull in 30,000 supporters at huge prices. I'm sorry if you don't recognise this but its a fact.
    Can't argue with the that, and I've never denied that forest are a big club. Club stature is more a combination of competition history, fanbase, and stadium size than current league position. Which is why we are still a bigger club than Bury or Accrington.

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    Do your research Sid. Hes as red as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lullapie View Post
    Do your research Sid. He’s as red as you.
    Does doing your research mean rereading Wikipedia three times? What deeper research than that have you done? Liddle was at school in Guisborough when I was teaching in the area. He's red all right - a red neck. Like I said earlier, he's a classic case of a leftie turning king's evidence in later years and joining the opposition.
    A close reading of his constantly misogynistic views will tell you he's well to the right. Incidentally, he supports the Boro as well as Millwall. And what nerve he has, slagging off clubs like Notts for overspending when there are so many more examples higher up the league and closer to his London home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slack_pie View Post
    Can't argue with the that, and I've never denied that forest are a big club. Club stature is more a combination of competition history, fanbase, and stadium size than current league position. Which is why we are still a bigger club than Bury or Accrington.
    I'd say more than most. In this country everyone knows your team's name and that it's an old and respected club. If a team like, say, Luton or Northampton went down it would probably cause less of a reaction. I'm not saying that people couldn't sleep at night when they heard but there's that moment of shock.

    Anyway, as I've always said, I'd like to see you with decent owners, back in the League and doing well. Nottingham should have two teams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    Certainly not. That would makes us Forest fans.
    Which I'd hate.

    Not because of you but because County needs to keep its fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sidders View Post
    Does doing your research mean rereading Wikipedia three times? What deeper research than that have you done? Liddle was at school in Guisborough when I was teaching in the area. He's red all right - a red neck. Like I said earlier, he's a classic case of a leftie turning king's evidence in later years and joining the opposition.
    A close reading of his constantly misogynistic views will tell you he's well to the right. Incidentally, he supports the Boro as well as Millwall. And what nerve he has, slagging off clubs like Notts for overspending when there are so many more examples higher up the league and closer to his London home.
    He's traditional Labour not hard left. That's where you are getting confused.

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