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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    I listen to the experts.

    Reports from that match were that he’d come through it well and if I remember correctly he’d taken at least a couple of wickets.

    I’m nearly 58 and since Anderson’s age I’ve suffered with calf strains a lot so I can give you “chapter and verse” on them.

    I’ve just been forced into a two week rest period due to a nasty little strain on my left one a few weeks back that wasn’t improving with a lighter work load.

    I went out today and did my normal 4 1/2 miles at a careful and reduced pace because to do otherwise is sheer stupidity.

    I’m a million miles away from an elite trainer like Anderson but I can assure you of this.

    1/ As I gradually build this up over the next two weeks I’ll be back to my rather sad best.

    2/ In 10 days from now Anderson would have Leicester stiffs wondering where their next run was coming from and if selected......he’ll be making the Aussies squirm.

    By 4th September it’ll be five weeks since his slight calf strain and with world class rehab and a top class athlete knowing his own body I think we can all feel comfortable that if Anderson is on the pitch he’ll do the business.

    If not him I hope Curran gets the call because Woakes is as much use as my a r s e at present.
    Try listening to what the experts say regarding Woakes.

    A pity you are not as nice a man as you think Jimmy Anderson is with your disrespect of Leicestershire young cricketers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TipperaryBaggie View Post
    The point that I was trying to make Dub is that people are very quick to criticise if things go wrong. Yes, we have a lot to improve upon in all areas but we are still better than most test teams and, of course, World Champions at one day cricket.
    I do see the point you are making and you can only beat the team you are playing against. I agree with that. I guess my point is or could be the same with a lot of modern sports....Is it better? The W. Indies are quite abysmal as a test nation today compared to 20 years a go. India is most likely the same...Pakistan is definitely gone backwards as I would suggest is N Zealand.Sri Lanka are ok. Australia are not as powerful as they once were...South Africa are decent but cant really be compared as they were out of international cricket for so long.
    That leaves the likes of Bangladesh,Zimbabwe, and if you want Ireland. Test cricket has gone backwards in its development...no question. There are too many versions of the game, which is where the money is. (Here we go again)
    G Gooch could carry as could Tendulkar and many more because they had a temperament that suited a game that went on for 5 days. Not so today, as the modern player has not got the skill set. See how many games finished well within the allotted time...The one day hitter saves the day....and I am fine with that....but cricket isn't a better game for that....

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    I really like that the Ashes thread is so popular and so many contributions on it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlordmurphy View Post
    Try listening to what the experts say regarding Woakes.

    A pity you are not as nice a man as you think Jimmy Anderson is with your disrespect of Leicestershire young cricketers.
    Don’t try to paint me in a certain way because I picked apart what you said about our greatest ever bowler.

    Good luck to your nephew but if he’s going to make it into regular first class cricket I doubt he’ll be “bigging up” his “four through the covers” of Jimmy in a first run out after injury stint!

    As for Woakes I do listen and I watch with my own two eyes.

    Botham,Warne,Ramprakash,Willis,Gower and others ALL pointed out in the last two days that Root obviously has lost trust in him.

    He’s absolutely no use abroad as his figures clearly show and his usual Lords heroics were miles off in the last test.

    He’s bowled just 22 overs at poor economy with just 2 for 85 in conditions made for him in the first innings and he batted twice like a number 11.

    I’d be interested to know which “experts” you were listening to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    Don’t try to paint me in a certain way because I picked apart what you said about our greatest ever bowler.

    Good luck to your nephew but if he’s going to make it into regular first class cricket I doubt he’ll be “bigging up” his “four through the covers” of Jimmy in a first run out after injury stint!

    As for Woakes I do listen and I watch with my own two eyes.

    Botham,Warne,Ramprakash,Willis,Gower and others ALL pointed out in the last two days that Root obviously has lost trust in him.

    He’s absolutely no use abroad as his figures clearly show and his usual Lords heroics were miles off in the last test.

    He’s bowled just 22 overs at poor economy with just 2 for 85 in conditions made for him in the first innings and he batted twice like a number 11.

    I’d be interested to know which “experts” you were listening to?
    Read again post 32 and you will see you have turned a harmless comment regarding the wellbeing of Jimmy Anderson into something miles away from the first intent.

    Paint you in a different way? the only one doing that is you.

    And as for 'bigging it up' you are talking rubbish as I clearly said Jimmy was 'gentle' in his spell, which point you picked up on.

    It seems if it's not about mickd you don't want to know.

    At which point I will leave this board with so many self centred wanchors it's really no pleasure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlordmurphy View Post
    Read again post 32 and you will see you have turned a harmless comment regarding the wellbeing of Jimmy Anderson into something miles away from the first intent.

    Paint you in a different way? the only one doing that is you.

    And as for 'bigging it up' you are talking rubbish as I clearly said Jimmy was 'gentle' in his spell, which point you picked up on.

    It seems if it's not about mickd you don't want to know.

    At which point I will leave this board with so many self centred wanchors it's really no pleasure.
    Bye then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goodlordmurphy View Post
    And crumbs from loads of humble pie, it's funny how most posters change midstream isn't it.
    And you’re happy to have digs at people like me in quotes like this but that’s okay.

    In my reply to your “critique” of our greatest ever bowler being put away by your relative and my follow ups I was completely factual.

    You still haven’t told us which “experts” were eulogising about Woakes GLM?

    As for “disrespecting” Leicestershire’s seconds.....you’re old enough to understand the term “stiffs” so don’t go acting like a Snowflake FFS.

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    To change the focus of this thread, if you remember GLM I said that I would have a word with my mate who scores for Leicester 2's about your grandson's dismissal v. Lancs. Unfortunately, due to his scoring commitments I haven't seen him for quite a while, in fact he
    was the back up scorer for England in the Edgbaston Test.
    However, I know a little about your grandson as he plays alongside Sam Bates, the wicket keeper, for Leicester 2's. I played alongside Sam's dad, who himself was an excellent 'keeper and his grandad an excellent bowler. That shows my age! I understand that your grandson now plays for Loughborough Town in the Leicestershire and Rutland Premier League. The club that I played for, Newtown Linford, will gain promotion to the Premier League next season and therefore will be playing Loughborough Town so perhaps we will be able to meet up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbag View Post
    I do see the point you are making and you can only beat the team you are playing against. I agree with that. I guess my point is or could be the same with a lot of modern sports....Is it better? The W. Indies are quite abysmal as a test nation today compared to 20 years a go. India is most likely the same...Pakistan is definitely gone backwards as I would suggest is N Zealand.Sri Lanka are ok. Australia are not as powerful as they once were...South Africa are decent but cant really be compared as they were out of international cricket for so long.
    That leaves the likes of Bangladesh,Zimbabwe, and if you want Ireland. Test cricket has gone backwards in its development...no question. There are too many versions of the game, which is where the money is. (Here we go again)
    G Gooch could carry as could Tendulkar and many more because they had a temperament that suited a game that went on for 5 days. Not so today, as the modern player has not got the skill set. See how many games finished well within the allotted time...The one day hitter saves the day....and I am fine with that....but cricket isn't a better game for that....

    Dubs as with any sport surely you can not compare the old days to now, be it football, cricket, cycling or whatever.

    The old game was slow, based on technique, not giving your wicket away, of not losing. I loved it. Watching it was like fishing, slow, relaxing and if the weather was great you could even go to sleep for a bit! Crowds were respectful, the game was beautiful in a sedate and very English way! Oh the sound of leather on ball (not balls that’s just the public school boys)!

    Kids nowadays would have hated it.

    Yes technique has gone but in its place has come entertainment, noisy crowds, increases in runs per over, less drawn games, fitter athletic fielders, great catches, different formats so you can catch a game after work if you want, even their equivalent of VAR is great.

    Yes it is different, better for some but give me Wisden and a deckchair in the sun and no one within 30 yards of me so that I can watch the technique any day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post

    If not him I hope Curran gets the call because Woakes is as much use as my a r s e at present.
    Very handy thing, an arse. You would be in trouble without one!
    Top 6 could all be replaced...but by who?

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    Have always been a fan of Woakes but must admit that he hasn't had the best of times of late. Having said this, all players, with the odd exception, have their down periods. Hopefully, Woakes can come out of this bad patch as when he is playing well he is a great asset to the side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarmbaggie View Post
    Dubs as with any sport surely you can not compare the old days to now, be it football, cricket, cycling or whatever.

    The old game was slow, based on technique, not giving your wicket away, of not losing. I loved it. Watching it was like fishing, slow, relaxing and if the weather was great you could even go to sleep for a bit! Crowds were respectful, the game was beautiful in a sedate and very English way! Oh the sound of leather on ball (not balls that’s just the public school boys)!

    Kids nowadays would have hated it.

    Yes technique has gone but in its place has come entertainment, noisy crowds, increases in runs per over, less drawn games, fitter athletic fielders, great catches, different formats so you can catch a game after work if you want, even their equivalent of VAR is great.

    Yes it is different, better for some but give me Wisden and a deckchair in the sun and no one within 30 yards of me so that I can watch the technique any day.
    All very well made points Yarm......and I do agree all manor of life evolves...and can not be avoided.
    However, some old things survive very well today in this modern era. Perhaps our concept of entertainment is evolving.
    I guess quality never really shows its age...which is why somethings and some people are timeless...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbag View Post
    All very well made points Yarm......and I do agree all manor of life evolves...and can not be avoided.
    However, some old things survive very well today in this modern era. Perhaps our concept of entertainment is evolving.
    I guess quality never really shows its age...which is why somethings and some people are timeless...

    I agree with you Dub,the points made by Yarm are spot on.

    I think though that there’s still a place in cricket for good old fashioned resolve and stickability at certain times.

    I know Leach only faced 17 balls but he showed such solid technique and guts.

    If you remember Jimmy Anderson had an amazing batting stat for the first few years of his international career where he was never out for nought and he had a lot of “not out” scores.

    Him and Stuart Broad and Graeme Swann used to be a massive plus for our batting but in recent years Jimmy and Broad just seem to bat like they don’t care less anymore.

    I was frustrated yesterday that we didn’t push Leach up to 9 as I thought that was a no brainier seeing as he’d opened the batting v Ireland and scored a very attractive and technically correct 93.

    Last night they were discussing how to get Sam Curran into the side and I’d seriously consider leaving out Buttler for him as this would add the left arm medium fast bowling option and Curran bats in a correct fashion and very responsively.

    The other option is to play Bairstow purely as a batsman and play our best wicket keeper Foakes as he too is a very good batsman.

    I’d like to try a new opener but I can’t see them dropping both Roy and Denly.

    I’d look at this line up......

    Burns

    Denly

    Root

    Stokes

    Bairstow

    Roy or Buttler or Curran

    Foakes as wicket keeper

    Archer

    Leach

    Broad

    Anderson

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    I agree with you Dub,the points made by Yarm are spot on.

    I think though that there’s still a place in cricket for good old fashioned resolve and stickability at certain times.
    I remember reading about how the great Don Bradman use to train as a very young child. He would throw a golf ball against an uneven wall and bat it back with a single stump...not a bat a stump. His father use to say they could never get him in for tea or food...all they would hear is the continued sound of the bounce of the golf ball of the wall.
    I think one day his mother went out annoyed that he had not come in when called...and she went to give him an ear full she was amazed to see him smacking the golf ball with full gusto against the wall and batting it back each time...never missing.
    She ran back in, I believe and told her husband he will play for Australia
    There is the basic skill in that sport...that they great Don trained himself to perfection.
    Ronnie Wheelan use do the same when we were children growing up. He didn't just play football like the rest of us...he trained himself with a ball against a wall or anything he could find. He would kick a ball against a bus stop and react instantly to where it might go...
    Basics are still important.........I like test matches...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dubbag View Post
    I remember reading about how the great Don Bradman use to train as a very young child. He would throw a golf ball against an uneven wall and bat it back with a single stump...not a bat a stump. His father use to say they could never get him in for tea or food...all they would hear is the continued sound of the bounce of the golf ball of the wall.
    I think one day his mother went out annoyed that he had not come in when called...and she went to give him an ear full she was amazed to see him smacking the golf ball with full gusto against the wall and batting it back each time...never missing.
    She ran back in, I believe and told her husband he will play for Australia
    There is the basic skill in that sport...that they great Don trained himself to perfection.
    Ronnie Wheelan use do the same when we were children growing up. He didn't just play football like the rest of us...he trained himself with a ball against a wall or anything he could find. He would kick a ball against a bus stop and react instantly to where it might go...
    Basics are still important.........I like test matches...
    You brought back some distant memories there Dub for me personally.

    As a kid I once moaned to my dad when he didn’t fancy a kick about with me.

    We were in Yorkshire on holiday and had gone to his mum and dad’s old Yorkshire stone cottage so he took me outside into the yard and pointed to the side wall of the house.

    “Kick it against that like I used to do” he said.

    He was an only child and had to self amuse a lot of the time.

    So I tried it and moaned at the inconsistency of the way the ball came back off the wall due to the irregular shape of the stones.

    My dad was a very good non league centre forward with a great first touch even when he was playing with our kids in his 60’s and he attributed it to using that wall for hundreds of hours.

    From then on I used our multiple walled back garden for football and cricket practice and played cricket with myself using a golf ball as well although I was no Brahman 😆

    I also used it for catching practice as well and even now I can still pluck out great catches when we muck around in the garden.

    It’s all about training the brain as it sticks forever I think.....like riding a bike.

    I once read that the great South African fielder Jonty Rhodes used to ping a tennis ball around his living room an kitchen whilst he was on a day of just so he could constantly hone his reflexes.

    It’s all about the hard work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    You brought back some distant memories there Dub for me personally.

    As a kid I once moaned to my dad when he didn’t fancy a kick about with me.

    We were in Yorkshire on holiday and had gone to his mum and dad’s old Yorkshire stone cottage so he took me outside into the yard and pointed to the side wall of the house.

    “Kick it against that like I used to do” he said.

    He was an only child and had to self amuse a lot of the time.

    So I tried it and moaned at the inconsistency of the way the ball came back off the wall due to the irregular shape of the stones.

    My dad was a very good non league centre forward with a great first touch even when he was playing with our kids in his 60’s and he attributed it to using that wall for hundreds of hours.

    From then on I used our multiple walled back garden for football and cricket practice and played cricket with myself using a golf ball as well although I was no Brahman 😆

    I also used it for catching practice as well and even now I can still pluck out great catches when we muck around in the garden.

    It’s all about training the brain as it sticks forever I think.....like riding a bike.

    I once read that the great South African fielder Jonty Rhodes used to ping a tennis ball around his living room an kitchen whilst he was on a day of just so he could constantly hone his reflexes.

    It’s all about the hard work.
    I enjoyed reading your post Mick.
    Thanks....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TipperaryBaggie View Post
    Reading all the posts on this subject, I think that there is a lot of egg on face tonight!

    Well, i think they probably read my comments about them and thought, well we'll jolly well show him what we are made of. Top hole, hooray for Harry and GSTQ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    I agree with you Dub,the points made by Yarm are spot on.

    I think though that there’s still a place in cricket for good old fashioned resolve and stickability at certain times.

    I know Leach only faced 17 balls but he showed such solid technique and guts.

    If you remember Jimmy Anderson had an amazing batting stat for the first few years of his international career where he was never out for nought and he had a lot of “not out” scores.

    Him and Stuart Broad and Graeme Swann used to be a massive plus for our batting but in recent years Jimmy and Broad just seem to bat like they don’t care less anymore.

    I was frustrated yesterday that we didn’t push Leach up to 9 as I thought that was a no brainier seeing as he’d opened the batting v Ireland and scored a very attractive and technically correct 93.

    Last night they were discussing how to get Sam Curran into the side and I’d seriously consider leaving out Buttler for him as this would add the left arm medium fast bowling option and Curran bats in a correct fashion and very responsively.

    The other option is to play Bairstow purely as a batsman and play our best wicket keeper Foakes as he too is a very good batsman.

    I’d like to try a new opener but I can’t see them dropping both Roy and Denly.

    I’d look at this line up......

    Burns

    Denly

    Root

    Stokes

    Bairstow

    Roy or Buttler or Curran

    Foakes as wicket keeper

    Archer

    Leach

    Broad

    Anderson
    That line up looks good Mick and I certainly agree with you about bringing Foakes in as a specialist wicketkeeper. Curran for Buttler would seem the obvious move.

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    I have to admit that I've thought a lot about the selection of the side but am still no wiser in my own mind. There are pluses and minuses in all the permutations. However, another issue for me is how fit is Anderson. The selectors must be 100% sure that he can cope with a 5 day test as we just cannot afford for him to 'pull up' half way through a game as he did at Edgbaston. Glad it's all someone else's decision!

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    Seems that everytime it gets close and a team needs a bit of bottle there is only ever one winner.

    Headingly 81 Aus need 130 Eng win by 18
    Edgbaston 81 Aus need 140 Eng win by 29
    Oval 97 Aus need 124 Eng win by19
    Melbourne 99 Aus 175 Eng win by 12 runs
    Edgbaston 2005 Eng win 2 runs

    Headingly 2019 England show how to run chase.

    PS We need a specialist opener in there. Get one in leave out Roy or Buttler.

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