O/T:- Who needs Parliament?

[seriouspie]

Hehehe I note you haven’t answered my post about Johnson and his mates.

Of course I'll answer your question Jeremy, but first what does Hehehe mean. Do you mean Hee Hee Hee as in mirth? Very poor diction but I'll make allowances.

To answer your question.

Of course there's a class and privilege divide in this country ...... always has and always will be. You either like it or hate it (envy it) that's the way it is. I couldn't give a fig what privileges others may have - and have never been envious of such. There's always been the Hooray Henrys of this world and there's always been the crooks irrespective of their political beliefs. Boris and Jacob were born into wealth and privilege but so were many Labour MP's if you care to check. Would my old boss have employed Boris? Too bloody true he would because his connections would have been invaluable. Ask any business person on this board who is selling a product or a service what is the easiest way to obtain business. The answer is to have personal knowledge of, or employ someone who knows the market place and prime contacts, and that my son is what it's all about. Go to America Fatboy and look at their work ethic. All private enterprise, no spongers. That's why in less than 300 years they have built the richest and most powerful country in the world by endeavour, hard graft and innovation. Of course plenty of crooks have made millions ( Prohibition one example) and there always will be but I'm bloody glad the Yanks are on our side rather than Comrade Steptoe's favoured mates. Socialism will never work, it breeds idleness at the end of the day. I don't like Trump as a man but I admire his tenacity and drive as a leader. No son, at the end of the day you hard left socialists are and always will be great pontificators from outside the boundary rope, but if placed inside as a player would have no idea on how to run the game or make a positive decision, only criticise others. No offence Fatboy ..... you keep believing your ideology and I'll follow mine. By the way ........what is your occupation, that would help me understand you more!

[seriouspie]

I'll give you no. 1

No. 2 - 'Your man McDonnell' - are you sure about that? Maybe some of us Tory voters can argue without being abusive.
I wasn't meaning the words used, but the tone and way they were spoken.

No. 3
Can you not put forward a decent argument without using:
Marxist cretin
scruffy tw@t (why do you need to use a @?)
dirty scruffy Marxist traitor
jealous morons

I'm not saying they are abusive posts, but how low have we sunk that we can't differ without resorting to these kind of childish insults?

magpie_mania.

That's a fair reply which I'll answer and hopefully keep short as it's approaching my Horlicks time!

Firstly: Joe, Tarks, myself and possibly others no doubt are much older than yourself and through no fault of our own are born of a much older generation and brought up in a different age. No doubt in many many ways things are better than they were in our youth, that's a natural progression of life isn't it? To us oldies however lets look at language recently used which has caused such 'outrage'. Years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid. You won't remember Mr Churchill replying to Bessie Braddock who implied he was drunk in the chamber. "Sir, you are drunk" she said. "Yes madam I am" said Winston " and you madam are ugly, but in the morning I will be sober". This would be called an outrage today, then it was parliamentary banter back then and just caused hilarity. I could mention all the nonsense about Trudeau blacking his face and being called a racist ( the stock answer from the hard left). Jesus Christ when we lads read the Wizard comic most black lads depicted were called Sambo or Rufus and nobody took offence. Here's another one that hopefully won't get me banned from this board. Most little girls of my day had a toy golliwog which they loved with affection with not a hint of racism. 'N' word brown knitting wool was a colour of wool, nothing racist at all - honestly. Somewhere along the line this racist thing has got completely overblown by I'm afraid the politically correct "Progressives" and yet the 'F' and 'C' word are used at will by today's so called comedians, a thing that was unheard of 25 years ago and would have been banned as disgusting. Not on a racist issue, we don't see many saucy seaside postcards with the fat women and hen pecked husbands with the ***ist innuendo's because they don't meet the PC rules. So as it seems you are a reasonably minded bloke, please accept this reply without prejudice.

Sorry for going on for so long but I'm sure the older guys on here will agree with my comments and the context of what I was trying to say.

[JoePass]

magpie_mania.

That's a fair reply which I'll answer and hopefully keep short as it's approaching my Horlicks time!

Firstly: Joe, Tarks, myself and possibly others no doubt are much older than yourself and through no fault of our own are born of a much older generation and brought up in a different age. No doubt in many many ways things are better than they were in our youth, that's a natural progression of life isn't it? To us oldies however lets look at language recently used which has caused such 'outrage'. Years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid. You won't remember Mr Churchill replying to Bessie Braddock who implied he was drunk in the chamber. "Sir, you are drunk" she said. "Yes madam I am" said Winston " and you madam are ugly, but in the morning I will be sober". This would be called an outrage today, then it was parliamentary banter back then and just caused hilarity. I could mention all the nonsense about Trudeau blacking his face and being called a racist ( the stock answer from the hard left). Jesus Christ when we lads read the Wizard comic most black lads depicted were called Sambo or Rufus and nobody took offence. Here's another one that hopefully won't get me banned from this board. Most little girls of my day had a toy golliwog which they loved with affection with not a hint of racism. 'N' word brown knitting wool was a colour of wool, nothing racist at all - honestly. Somewhere along the line this racist thing has got completely overblown by I'm afraid the politically correct "Progressives" and yet the 'F' and 'C' word are used at will by today's so called comedians, a thing that was unheard of 25 years ago and would have been banned as disgusting. Not on a racist issue, we don't see many saucy seaside postcards with the fat women and hen pecked husbands with the ***ist innuendo's because they don't meet the PC rules. So as it seems you are a reasonably minded bloke, please accept this reply without prejudice.

Sorry for going on for so long but I'm sure the older guys on here will agree with my comments and the context of what I was trying to say.

Spot on..

[magpie_mania]

magpie_mania.

That's a fair reply which I'll answer and hopefully keep short as it's approaching my Horlicks time!

Firstly: Joe, Tarks, myself and possibly others no doubt are much older than yourself and through no fault of our own are born of a much older generation and brought up in a different age. No doubt in many many ways things are better than they were in our youth, that's a natural progression of life isn't it? To us oldies however lets look at language recently used which has caused such 'outrage'. Years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid. You won't remember Mr Churchill replying to Bessie Braddock who implied he was drunk in the chamber. "Sir, you are drunk" she said. "Yes madam I am" said Winston " and you madam are ugly, but in the morning I will be sober". This would be called an outrage today, then it was parliamentary banter back then and just caused hilarity. I could mention all the nonsense about Trudeau blacking his face and being called a racist ( the stock answer from the hard left). Jesus Christ when we lads read the Wizard comic most black lads depicted were called Sambo or Rufus and nobody took offence. Here's another one that hopefully won't get me banned from this board. Most little girls of my day had a toy golliwog which they loved with affection with not a hint of racism. 'N' word brown knitting wool was a colour of wool, nothing racist at all - honestly. Somewhere along the line this racist thing has got completely overblown by I'm afraid the politically correct "Progressives" and yet the 'F' and 'C' word are used at will by today's so called comedians, a thing that was unheard of 25 years ago and would have been banned as disgusting. Not on a racist issue, we don't see many saucy seaside postcards with the fat women and hen pecked husbands with the ***ist innuendo's because they don't meet the PC rules. So as it seems you are a reasonably minded bloke, please accept this reply without prejudice.

Sorry for going on for so long but I'm sure the older guys on here will agree with my comments and the context of what I was trying to say.

I agree with all that. The only thing I would add is that the banter in Parliament was done in a light-hearted way, much more so than now.

I do think though that you may be a way out with your guess at my age!

[navypie]

I’ll add that I bet Seriouspie was a right gaffer’s nark, the sort who’d work late for nowt, come in early without being asked, and go squealing to the boss when the bloke next to him was 5 minutes late.

Sounds like the kinda bloke who wants the company to succeed and won't tolerate those who don't. You're the sort of bloke who'd remove his thumb and let the ship sink if his watch was over.

[BigFatPie]

magpie_mania.

That's a fair reply which I'll answer and hopefully keep short as it's approaching my Horlicks time!

Firstly: Joe, Tarks, myself and possibly others no doubt are much older than yourself and through no fault of our own are born of a much older generation and brought up in a different age. No doubt in many many ways things are better than they were in our youth, that's a natural progression of life isn't it? To us oldies however lets look at language recently used which has caused such 'outrage'. Years ago nobody would have batted an eyelid. You won't remember Mr Churchill replying to Bessie Braddock who implied he was drunk in the chamber. "Sir, you are drunk" she said. "Yes madam I am" said Winston " and you madam are ugly, but in the morning I will be sober". This would be called an outrage today, then it was parliamentary banter back then and just caused hilarity. I could mention all the nonsense about Trudeau blacking his face and being called a racist ( the stock answer from the hard left). Jesus Christ when we lads read the Wizard comic most black lads depicted were called Sambo or Rufus and nobody took offence. Here's another one that hopefully won't get me banned from this board. Most little girls of my day had a toy golliwog which they loved with affection with not a hint of racism. 'N' word brown knitting wool was a colour of wool, nothing racist at all - honestly. Somewhere along the line this racist thing has got completely overblown by I'm afraid the politically correct "Progressives" and yet the 'F' and 'C' word are used at will by today's so called comedians, a thing that was unheard of 25 years ago and would have been banned as disgusting. Not on a racist issue, we don't see many saucy seaside postcards with the fat women and hen pecked husbands with the ***ist innuendo's because they don't meet the PC rules. So as it seems you are a reasonably minded bloke, please accept this reply without prejudice.

Sorry for going on for so long but I'm sure the older guys on here will agree with my comments and the context of what I was trying to say.

What a load of drivel. The best thing to say about it is that Soccerman and Sinbad agree with it.

Says it all.

[seriouspie]

What a load of drivel. The best thing to say about it is that Soccerman and Sinbad agree with it.

Says it all.

Say what you want to youth, it's no skin off my nose.

[JoePass]

What a load of drivel. The best thing to say about it is that Soccerman and Sinbad agree with it.

Says it all.

Are you Tom Watson in disguise ?

[Notsohumblepie]

I'll give you no. 1

No. 2 - 'Your man McDonnell' - are you sure about that? Maybe some of us Tory voters can argue without being abusive.
I wasn't meaning the words used, but the tone and way they were spoken.

No. 3
Can you not put forward a decent argument without using:
Marxist cretin
scruffy tw@t (why do you need to use a @?)
dirty scruffy Marxist traitor
jealous morons

I'm not saying they are abusive posts, but how low have we sunk that we can't differ without resorting to these kind of childish insults?

Unfortunately you've concentrated on one set of protagonists , and given the other side a virtually free ride. However sincere, it shoots your argument down in flames.

[magpie_mania]

Unfortunately you've concentrated on one set of protagonists , and given the other side a virtually free ride. However sincere, it shoots your argument down in flames.

Not really sure how you get that. Who has had a virtually free ride? I can only quote from the two posts I was responding to.