O/T:- Who needs Parliament?

[MagpieTony]

[forwardmagpie]

Fair enough Forward.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...&id=7303343452 is the link to his Facebook live when he said he wouldn't accept an NI only backstop from about 6 mins onwards. Apparently he's also said something similar a few times before so if you look on YouTube you'll probably find more.

If you go on the Guardian website, on the homepage just under the main headlines you can see a link to two PDF versions of May's deal and Johnson's deal with the omissions highlighted in one colour and the new bits in another which is quite informative.

Interesting read in the Guardian, difficult to assess the changes in the position of NI.

[BigFatPie]

My opinion is this Brexit deal will not pass parliament tomorrow as it essentially a ruse for a no deal Brexit at the end of 2020 for the UK (without NI) but without MP's having any further say.

This may be enough to get the ERG on board (many of these disaster captialists stand to make a fortune on the back of a tanking £ and UK economy) but should struggle to get enough moderates to pass.

I think it probably will pass, but Letwin’s amendment may well be passed as well that obliges Johnson to ask for an extension until after the legislation is passed.

More insurance against no deal.

[tarquinbeech]

Interesting piece by Rory Carroll, the Guardians Irish correspondent entitled Betrayal?..Ridiculous!

Basically similar to the piece I posted last night from another Guardian columnist ie most Labour voters have had enough, both Remainers and Brexiteers, and just want this over.......the same in NI.....apart from the hard-line loyalists, most will just shrug their shoulders and get on with their improving lives, grateful that there is no physical border between North and South......excerpt “A number of unionists and loyalists are angry, but the political process needs to take their fears away. It’s not the time to ratchet all this up,” said Billy Hutchinson, a Belfast city councillor with the Progressive Unionist party (PUP), which is aligned with the Ulster Volunteer Force (UVF) paramilitary group. “We can’t afford to go back to the bad old days. We won’t.”

Peter Shirlow, a director at the University of Liverpool’s Institute of Irish Studies and an authority on unionism, said there was little appetite for disruption. “A lorry sitting in Larne having its contents checked won’t drive them back to violence. The narrative is changing. Northern Ireland is not as dysfunctional as you think.”
"A business consultant who declined to be named said a small minority could cause ructions but that others would accept a deal. “They’ll have a bottle of shiraz and a nice meal. Betrayal? It’s ridiculous, inflammatory language. Let’s just get on with life.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...on-from-brexit

[tarquinbeech]

The numbers are mounting now that Labour rebels are declaring their support for the Boris deal.....FT now believe Boris has a majority, without the DUP.......it´s tight though.....need another 4 or 5 to cross over to be on the safe side.

[MagpieTony]

Has anyone noticed we haven't heard from drunk Steve today?.........Rumour has it he's lent his gear to someone else.

[tarquinbeech]

Has anyone noticed we haven't heard from drunk Steve today?.........Rumour has it he's lent his gear to someone else.

Shouting Steve from Wales - Classic humour on his latest Youtube vid...... "So, let's ditch democracy and have a shouting competition instead."

[Elite_Pie]

The numbers are mounting now that Labour rebels are declaring their support for the Boris deal.....FT now believe Boris has a majority, without the DUP.......it´s tight though.....need another 4 or 5 to cross over to be on the safe side.

It certainly looks to be on a knife edge. Earlier in the day the bookies had accepting the deal as marginal favourite, now the odds slightly favour rejecting it. I've seen the deal that has been negotiated by Boris described as a "great deal", an "awful deal", "poor, but as good as we can hope for" and "Theresa May's deal with a blonde wig". If it does get passed I suspect it will be because MPs are getting as sick as the rest of us rather than the deal actually being a good one.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...ectionName=yes

[MagpieTony]

It certainly looks to be on a knife edge. Earlier in the day the bookies had accepting the deal as marginal favourite, now the odds slightly favour rejecting it. I've seen the deal that has been negotiated by Boris described as a "great deal", an "awful deal", "poor, but as good as we can hope for" and "Theresa May's deal with a blonde wig". If it does get passed I suspect it will be because MPs are getting as sick as the rest of us rather than the deal actually being a good one.

https://www.oddschecker.com/politics...ectionName=yes

There's no such thing as a good deal Elite. Remainers want to remain, leavers want to leave with no deal and anything in between will be picked apart by both.

[Elite_Pie]

It certainly looks to be on a knife edge. Earlier in the day the bookies had accepting the deal as marginal favourite, now the odds slightly favour rejecting it.

And now the odds have flipped again, with accepting the deal currently slight favourite. I think that mainly down to self-interest, parliament will very narrowly approve the deal*. If so, we just have to sit back and wait for the golden era that Boris has promised us!

* subject to legal challenges of course. Brexit wouldn't be Brexit without legal challenges.