O/T:- Who needs Parliament?

[forwardmagpie]

Most definitely

Just in case I missed it Swale did you answer how you knew “the electorate have changed their minds”?

[seriouspie]

All boxes ticked. I got a job, contributed to the nation's wealth, and bettered myself.

I still for the life of me can't understand your archaic and bigoted views.

I was addressing the Fatman ...... don't stick your neb in.

Not archaic views at all, views of a successful salesman and proud to say it. I don't expect you to understand my views, we both have a different outlook on life. I won't criticise your lifestyle or views as they are of no consequence to me old lad. By the way, I think you mentioned elsewhere you would bet any amount we won't leave by the 31st? More than likely not because Boris wants a GE before anything else to get him the five years he'll need to getting the business he wants. Not leaving on the 31st won't go against him much as the faint hearts would wish. Get rid of the horrible Marxist and his agitators first so no interference from these half baked Lefties and then off we go to pastures new.

[seriouspie]

Crushing pebbles is better. If you haven't sold a machine that crushes pebbles, your opinion is worthless.

C'mon son, that's been said before. I suppose I could counter by saying the simple task of bleaching and dyeing a few rags is indeed high technology. I can't ask my neighbour as he died a year ago. Unfortunate - as he knew a little about your trade. His name was Mr Pentecost, Did you ever meet him? A Tory by the way and a gentleman so no doubt you didn't.

[seriouspie]

BFP tell him it's something to do with selling or rocks otherwise you'll never hear the end of it.

Well I pay my dues Driller at least. You know that.

[pingu_pie]

Of course he'll win an election easily. Ruin the country? Blair, Brown etc didn't then? Reward losers? No son, the electorate reward winners. By your very vitriol towards the man I guess you are a hard socialist who loathes anybody who speaks with an Oxford accent, has been born into wealth and a gentleman. Now look at your pitiful example of either Corbyn or Swinson as a potential leader. One basically a school prefect who will perform no better in the polls than her weak predecessors or the unimaginable spectre of a hard line marxist slovenly sliding into No. 10. No chance me old china ...... the vast majority of voting Brits respect the Blond Bear.

Ha, I was thought you might have been one of the occasional right wingers on here who was capable of debate... before this and some of your silly replies later on.

My "vitriol" is simply pointing out that the man is a failure. He was a dreadful journalist, a truly abysmal mayor (the laughable Garden Bridge, the water cannons, the paying money to the aforementioned lady), a shocking Foreign Secretary - pity poor Nazanin Zaghari-Radcliffe, whose plight should have seen him fired and never seen or heard from from again, if nothing else already had already shown him to be lacking in talent - and so it is no surprise he's a pathetic "leader".

But thank you for judging me (and adding a patronising "son", love it); I am a socialist, I guess, purely based on a far out-dated belief that I ought to think about what's best for other people, and the hope that there are enough like-minded people that I can depend upon society's reciprocity should life ever go downhill for me, despite my best efforts. Probably why I work for a charity helping people with a disability, and hence don't earn much, but can still work hard to pay my way. I generally feel that socialism would be the very best way of living, but that it's pretty much impossible due to human nature. I also feel that conservatism fiscally is sometimes necessary and we can't just spend our way out of everything, but should be fair at least.

Spent quite a lot of time in Oxford, at the University, as my ex-girlfriend studied there. Talked to plenty of folk there from all walks of life, don't recall hating any of them because they were rich, any more than I do the many people I've met since who worked hard and had a skill that was well remunerated. Fair play to them. But that doesn't fit your little narrative, does it? I met Corbyn, as we weirdly once shared an office building with Momentum; he was a perfectly pleasant chap, nice to talk to, treated you like a human being. Not sure he would make a great PM, for the same reasons that I don't think my own socialism is the answer. Lest you declare me a scruffy Marxist, I wasn't overly impressed with some of the Momentum folks, who looked like children running around with clipboards believing they were very important and weren't even capable of acknowledging the existence of anyone else in the building. Hardly hearts and minds, that. Some of them were also really nice.

Shall I do the same for you? I assume you're an anachronistic old chap who loves to drag his flat cap off to tug at his forelock when one of his betters comes along, maybe throwing your coat in the mud so your lordship's horses doesn't get it's hooves dirty. "Gor blimey, ain't the upper classes grand, gawd love 'em." Or maybe that's a bit silly, and I wouldn't stoop to such ridiculousness. Either way - our PM is most certainly NOT a gentleman.

The electorate don't always reward winners. They sometimes make failures win.

[Elite_Pie]

C'mon son, that's been said before. I suppose I could counter by saying the simple task of bleaching and dyeing a few rags is indeed high technology. I can't ask my neighbour as he died a year ago. Unfortunate - as he knew a little about your trade. His name was Mr Pentecost, Did you ever meet him? A Tory by the way and a gentleman so no doubt you didn't.

Never met Mr Pentecost, but I've heard of his mate Mr Hicking. You are correct in your last sentence however, in my career I met many Tories, but I would class very few of them if any as gentlemen.

[Elite_Pie]

By the way, I think you mentioned elsewhere you would bet any amount we won't leave by the 31st? More than likely not because Boris wants a GE before anything else to get him the five years he'll need to getting the business he wants.

We seem to have some common ground then.

We both think he was talking bollox when he insisted we would leave on Ostober 31st.

[seriouspie]

Never met Mr Pentecost, but I've heard of his mate Mr Hicking. You are correct in your last sentence however, in my career I met many Tories, but I would class very few of them if any as gentlemen.

Yes the Mr Pentecost I knew was the old financial director ........ a lovely old guy who would converse with anyone. I understand your last sentence as well but that's possibly because of the monkey you carry on your back which you were born with

[seriouspie]

We seem to have some common ground then.

We both think he was talking bollox when he insisted we would leave on Ostober 31st.

If the vote carries tonight I think we will leave on the 31st and I'll take up a bet with you tomorrow. but if not then so be it ... no problem. He can put Lenin back on the back benches where he belongs and then get sorted.

[Elite_Pie]

If the vote carries tonight I think we will leave on the 31st and I'll take up a bet with you tomorrow. but if not then so be it ... no problem. He can put Lenin back on the back benches where he belongs and then get sorted.

Let me quote you a tweet from none other than Nigel Farage:

"Do or die is over, we have now moved on to dying in a ditch. We will not be leaving the EU on 31st October".

I just hope the said ditch is nowhere near me.