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Thread: O/T Democracy

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    That's fair enough Kerr. Shame you can't keep yourself from being so superior to others that exchange views on here, especially when you do exactly the same thing. Come on, me and you have slugged it out on some posts till the white lightening has gone and the soup ******** have booted us out! Less so obviously now that the conservatives are at a level that even you can't defend any more! Better to try and direct attention to the footy threads innit? All of a sudden! ;-)

    Have a good holiday pal. Sounds good to me. World's a ****ing mess, less comms from it the better :-)
    Why are you trying to pick a fight, raging? What is driving you to that?

    I've simply tried to help you in the past. You will recall how I spent several pages of the Brexit thread helping you to understand the difference between the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration so that you understood what you were opposing.

    I've only defended the Tories in your febrile imagination. I simply say what I think rather than what I'm told to think.

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    All thoughts are influenced by something Kerr. What about influence of socialisation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rolymiller View Post
    All thoughts are influenced by something Kerr. What about influence of socialisation?
    Jack Russells need a lot of early socialisation, but can still be overly vocal and territorial.

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    Remainers are epically tedious but it's their lives they've been wasting for over 3 years years now protesting against democracy when they could have been doing something productive or beneficial to society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pattylallacks2 View Post
    What's so special about democracy anyway? We should vote to get rid of it.
    Rule by smug supercilious upper-middle class lawyers who went to Oxbridge?

    Cos they're better than us plebs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    Jack Russells need a lot of early socialisation, but can still be overly vocal and territorial.
    Careful i'll have ya ankles!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Best speakers yesterday in London were those who, being left of centre, voted to leave from the EU as the neo liberal organisation out is. But now are joining us (not as eu supporters but as parliamentary democracy advocates) against the government as they are pissed off that their vote has been hijacked by Johnson and the far right for their own ends.

    Quite happy to leave with the WA. Quite happy to leave with No Deal. But only if our elected representatives vote finally that this is in our national interest. That's our parliamentary democracy. Any other way is quite frightening..

    Spent most of last night last night in the slammer in Charing Cross. Nothing violent, just obstruction. First time in my life. Wife was thankfully spared that but thankfully had great solidarity from others who supported us at the station until we were released. (Coppers were great too tbf, completely on our side but doing their job) I would never have done that for Remain. I have never marched on Remain demos. Yesterday was simply because we have a new government that is clearly trying to bypass our parliamentary democracy.

    I realise how frustrating it is for people who voted to leave in the advisory referendum but I can't see how shutting down our parliamentary democracy can be a positive thing. Its very easy to agree with Cumming's actions (cos he's your leader, make no mistake) on this occasion if you agree with this policy, but what about next time? What if a left wing loon is voted in and wants to super tax high earners up to 90% against the wishes of parliament? Is this really where we want to go?

    (Just a quick hi to Kerr who I noted with merriment is trying to direct our attention away from this calamity to football posts. Nice one Kerr! :-))

    Just to let you know mate that the referendum was not advisory at all and yet again you have had the wool pulled over your eyes or you did know what I am about to tell you and you just ignored it anyway and decided democracy was not for you because you did not like the result.

    When Cameron promised us the referendum it was voted on in both the house of commons and the house of lords which made it in to a law that a referendum must be held. Once that law had been passed it was also voted on that the result of that referendum would be abided by which was passed in both the house of commons and the house of lords making it a law.

    Once the deal May had failed for the 3rd time the only lawful action available to them was to leave with no deal or to extend for a short period of time. It did not cater for a 2nd extension and so after the 1st extension lapsed it was undemocratic to do anything else other than leave with no deal.

    Just thought I would try to educate a few of the remoaners who foolishly think they are being demicratic when in reality they are the most antidemocratic bunch of whinging barstewards of all time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLadonOS View Post
    Just to let you know mate that the referendum was not advisory at all and yet again you have had the wool pulled over your eyes or you did know what I am about to tell you and you just ignored it anyway and decided democracy was not for you because you did not like the result.

    When Cameron promised us the referendum it was voted on in both the house of commons and the house of lords which made it in to a law that a referendum must be held. Once that law had been passed it was also voted on that the result of that referendum would be abided by which was passed in both the house of commons and the house of lords making it a law.

    Once the deal May had failed for the 3rd time the only lawful action available to them was to leave with no deal or to extend for a short period of time. It did not cater for a 2nd extension and so after the 1st extension lapsed it was undemocratic to do anything else other than leave with no deal.

    Just thought I would try to educate a few of the remoaners who foolishly think they are being demicratic when in reality they are the most antidemocratic bunch of whinging barstewards of all time.

    Just sounding bullish doesn't make you right BL. You are simply wrong. The referendum was not legally binding. The government did tell us that they would implement the result but they were wrong to do that as we are a parliamentary democracy and any such decisions, any referendum, as set out in our law, must first pass through parliament, our elected representatives, to become law. The High Court ruled.

    This is to stop a government suddenly putting a populist vote to the people (hanging for example, or hiking super taxes), getting it through in a way that it couldn't through parliamentary means. That's why its set up that way and that's why it's important that this is challenged.

    https://fullfact.org/europe/was-eu-r...SAAEgIoyvD_BwE

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    Why are you trying to pick a fight, raging? What is driving you to that?

    I've simply tried to help you in the past. You will recall how I spent several pages of the Brexit thread helping you to understand the difference between the Withdrawal Agreement and the Political Declaration so that you understood what you were opposing.

    I've only defended the Tories in your febrile imagination. I simply say what I think rather than what I'm told to think.

    Not picking a fight. Just thought it ironic that at a time when the government are acting in the way that they are, and arguments put forward supporting them on here, you are choosing to urge us to focus on football threads.

    Have a nice hol

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    I'm flying out on my hols on Wednesday and am going somewhere with limited phone and internet coverage. Bliss. Hopefully it will all be over when I get back.
    He'll still be policing us for sure, don't be fooled by this.

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