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    FAO Francis Begbie

    Is it you thatís organising the red card protest against the Chairman this Saturday? Do you have anymore information please ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrol1919 View Post
    Is it you thatís organising the red card protest against the Chairman this Saturday? Do you have anymore information please ?


    hmmm organising a red card protest ???? i suggested get the red cards out like we did for harkness on the facebook site yes but im no organiser lol .

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    is someone actually offering to organise this likes arrol1919 or are you fishing ,assuming lol .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis_begbie_HFC View Post
    is someone actually offering to organise this likes arrol1919 or are you fishing ,assuming lol .
    Apologies if Iíve picked it up incorrectly Francis but was told there was a thread on Facebook by yourself mentioning a red card display like yesteryear bud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrol1919 View Post
    Apologies if Iíve picked it up incorrectly Francis but was told there was a thread on Facebook by yourself mentioning a red card display like yesteryear bud.


    yes i did mention it ,what i said was something like the buck stops with hewitson he supplies the budget that our managers work with and years ago when we went though a similar scenario under harkness where queens were being held back with a finacially restraining chairman we had enough and done a red card for harkness protest which did the job ,im not sure who organised it tbh ,tho peter coupland and a few others rings some bells ,all i can remember being part of it standing behind the directors box with banners and red cards in the air ,singing harkness must go ,then outside palmy after match ,this went on for a few weeks if im remembering correctly lol .but i doubt the fans have it in them nowadays to take things that far ,,the queens fans for me have got more passive over the years .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis_begbie_HFC View Post
    yes i did mention it ,what i said was something like the buck stops with hewitson he supplies the budget that our managers work with and years ago when we went though a similar scenario under harkness where queens were being held back with a finacially restraining chairman we had enough and done a red card for harkness protest which did the job ,im not sure who organised it tbh ,tho peter coupland and a few others rings some bells ,all i can remember being part of it standing behind the directors box with banners and red cards in the air ,singing harkness must go ,then outside palmy after match ,this went on for a few weeks if im remembering correctly lol .but i doubt the fans have it in them nowadays to take things that far ,,the queens fans for me have got more passive over the years .
    We havenít got a lot of money though Francis. The club wonít spend what theyíve not got. You do remember we made two massive financial losses the last two years ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arrol1919 View Post
    We haven’t got a lot of money though Francis. The club won’t spend what they’ve not got. You do remember we made two massive financial losses the last two years ?


    yep i know queens havnt got alot of income coming in ,clubs like us rely heavily on outside investment to compete ,queens cant compete in the championship operating on there own income iv been saying this for years ,this is why we need propped up with investment each season ontop of our club income ,hewitson makes cash from queens is the word rather than gives cash to queens ,so are you in the camp of accepting we have no cash and we are operating at our peak which you know we are in freefall dont you ?or do the fans say enough is enough and demand better or change ,if we keep on the same path we will end upo back to a part time lower leagues club with even less ambition than we have now ,how many fans do you think will tag along with that scenario ,not many id expect ,at some point either a leap of faith needs to happen or keep it the same ,keeping it the way its going doesnt bare thinking about for me .

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    I'm really not quite sure what you are trying to achieve?

    Getting rid of the very person who is bank rolling the club is maybe not a very good idea, - but what do I know?

    We're already in crisis with every politician in the country having absolutely no idea what they are doing and having no plan whatsoever with regards to what to do after Brexit, - but many are hell-bent on pursuing it.

    This appears to be along the same lines, - let's vote to get rid of the very person who is keeping the club afloat, but you don't have a workable solution once you succeed.

    Boris Johnson is likely to walk away once he has created a disaster, are you willing to step in with a workable plan of what to do once you have evicted the chairman. I have my doubts.

    We have discussed the financial situation on this board until we are all blue in the face and unless or until a white knight is going to appear from some magical world far, far away, - it might be in all our best interests to actually try and encourage the chairman to stay.

    To put it another way: It's like turkeys voting for Christmas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jardi View Post
    I'm really not quite sure what you are trying to achieve?

    Getting rid of the very person who is bank rolling the club is maybe not a very good idea, - but what do I know?

    We're already in crisis with every politician in the country having absolutely no idea what they are doing and having no plan whatsoever with regards to what to do after Brexit, - but many are hell-bent on pursuing it.

    This appears to be along the same lines, - let's vote to get rid of the very person who is keeping the club afloat, but you don't have a workable solution once you succeed.

    Boris Johnson is likely to walk away once he has created a disaster, are you willing to step in with a workable plan of what to do once you have evicted the chairman. I have my doubts.

    We have discussed the financial situation on this board until we are all blue in the face and unless or until a white knight is going to appear from some magical world far, far away, - it might be in all our best interests to actually try and encourage the chairman to stay.

    To put it another way: It's like turkeys voting for Christmas.
    I agree fully Jardi that unless there is someone prepared to step into Hewitson's shoes with a wad of cash to splash on a struggling team I see no point in protesting against the present incumbent. We need instead to get behind the team giving them our support and let's face it if we had taken even a small number of the numerous chances we have been creating in the Ayr and Clyde games, Alloa not included in this, then the situation would be looking very much different. I for one am not a turkey although others may beg to differ

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    Quote Originally Posted by jardi View Post
    I'm really not quite sure what you are trying to achieve?

    Getting rid of the very person who is bank rolling the club is maybe not a very good idea, - but what do I know?

    We're already in crisis with every politician in the country having absolutely no idea what they are doing and having no plan whatsoever with regards to what to do after Brexit, - but many are hell-bent on pursuing it.

    This appears to be along the same lines, - let's vote to get rid of the very person who is keeping the club afloat, but you don't have a workable solution once you succeed.

    Boris Johnson is likely to walk away once he has created a disaster, are you willing to step in with a workable plan of what to do once you have evicted the chairman. I have my doubts.

    We have discussed the financial situation on this board until we are all blue in the face and unless or until a white knight is going to appear from some magical world far, far away, - it might be in all our best interests to actually try and encourage the chairman to stay.

    To put it another way: It's like turkeys voting for Christmas.


    ffs jardi bankrolling the club ,,what planet have you been living on ,if he was bankrolling the club whys he charging for scaffolding round the floodlights and why do we have a relegation budget to deal with ???,among other stuff ,dont you hear anything jardi ,and what makes you think theres no one interested in taking over if he resigns ? do you keep plugs in your ears when chatting to people lol ,queens are in utter freefall atm wake up and smell the coffee before its too late,, and in crisis with every politician in the country having no idea what there doing ,what country would that be your talking about ???? remember the uk is not a country ,scotland know exactly what we want and its defo not brexit the overwhelming vote for remain tells its own story .
    Last edited by Francis_begbie_HFC; 09-09-2019 at 05:55 PM.

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    Francis, so nice of you to respond by extending an olive branch. Perhaps it might be wise to leave politicians of every colour, persuasion and country out of this particular debate and concentrate on the football.

    Could we have your detailed 10 point plan of how to take this 100 year football club forward please and preferably without the simplistic solution of standing behind the directors box with red cards chanting "out, out, out." Any fool can do that and bully another 10 to join in, but it takes some creative thinking and a huge amount of work to actually put forward a workable plan B that isn't as brutally simple as "we should spend more money."

    If my memory serves me correctly, I did ask of you this very same question within the last couple of years and unsurprisingly nothing was forthcoming.

    What amazes me is that people have witnessed the death of Bury FC without so much as a mention on this board. Is that really what you want for Queen of the South?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jardi View Post
    Francis, so nice of you to respond by extending an olive branch. Perhaps it might be wise to leave politicians of every colour, persuasion and country out of this particular debate and concentrate on the football.

    Could we have your detailed 10 point plan of how to take this 100 year football club forward please and preferably without the simplistic solution of standing behind the directors box with red cards chanting "out, out, out." Any fool can do that and bully another 10 to join in, but it takes some creative thinking and a huge amount of work to actually put forward a workable plan B that isn't as brutally simple as "we should spend more money."

    If my memory serves me correctly, I did ask of you this very same question within the last couple of years and unsurprisingly nothing was forthcoming.

    What amazes me is that people have witnessed the death of Bury FC without so much as a mention on this board. Is that really what you want for Queen of the South?



    hold on jardi ,you mentioned how hewitson bankrolls queens ,id like to hear about this fantom bankrolling of the club ,my second point you are the one who quoted about brexit and our politicians not having a clue ,so its you who infact needs to concentrate on the football cause i see our politicians doing a great job in stopping boris the animal in his crusade to wreck scotland and take us out of the eu ,and why the hell should i come up with a 10 point plan of how to take queens forward ask hewitson about his 10 point plan as i cant see any forward movement in our club or progress ,and there is a few business people with cash that have been interested in queens ,do you hide your head under your pillow jardi if your not hearing these things ,so please explain to me how our chairman is moving queens forward and please dont come out with the blinkered version of how we make cash from the arena and kgv and this lochmaben place ,do you honestly think our chairman is putting cash into the club and bankrolling us ,cause i hear the exact opposite of this .

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    Speculate to accumulate they say.
    Every AGM for years it was always brought up we needed outside investment. Now we have it we are worse off than ever!!! Why?
    Better players = better results = more income.
    Said it in the other thread, we might have saved a few quid on the budget but look where we are? Out of two cups and doing terrible in the league (so far) - that's more lost income.

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    queens look to be in freefall to me and something needs to be done to stop this ,who does the buck stop with and how can it be sorted ,cause on our current path under financial restraints and small ragtag squads it doesnt look to me like queens are moving forward in any way .

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    Francis I understand your passion for wanting the best for the club. However, I must mention the word caution and ask you to think about Bury FC. ……...It's almost as if their demise didn't happen.

    If you are so passionate about Queen of the South - then it would be in the interests of the club and its supporters for you to come up with a 10 point plan of how you would take the club forward, - rather than simply ousting the chairman. I suspect if you were to oust the chairman then you really would see freefall.

    I was using a political analogy in my earlier post, -and I am of the humble opinion that none of our politicians have a clue (at the moment) of what is best for our country. As for Scotland, - what is the point in voting for Independence with a basket case economy? (I'm not making this up, - we are way below Romania) The reality is that Europe would not allow Scotland to join the economic union so we would be left on the edge of the Atlantic to fend for ourselves.

    It's all very well to get pumped up about our club and our country, - but once we have no club to support and no-one to fund us with economic aid what do we do then?

    I think some serious decision making is required before we dive in with both feet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis_begbie_HFC View Post
    hold on jardi ,you mentioned how hewitson bankrolls queens ,id like to hear about this fantom bankrolling of the club ,my second point you are the one who quoted about brexit and our politicians not having a clue ,so its you who infact needs to concentrate on the football cause i see our politicians doing a great job in stopping boris the animal in his crusade to wreck scotland and take us out of the eu ,and why the hell should i come up with a 10 point plan of how to take queens forward ask hewitson about his 10 point plan as i cant see any forward movement in our club or progress ,and there is a few business people with cash that have been interested in queens ,do you hide your head under your pillow jardi if your not hearing these things ,so please explain to me how our chairman is moving queens forward and please dont come out with the blinkered version of how we make cash from the arena and kgv and this lochmaben place ,do you honestly think our chairman is putting cash into the club and bankrolling us ,cause i hear the exact opposite of this .
    BUILDING CRAFTSMEN LTD

    William Hewitson is a director and shareholder.

    Both Building Craftsmen (Dumfries) Limited and the related company McCartney (Dumfries) Limited carry out significant
    maintenance work around Palmerston Park free of charge.


    From the last club accounts

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    Aloreburn, many thanks for pointing this out.

    The issue is that some people allow their judgement to be clouded due to the passion they have for their club and overlook the massive investment that has gone into putting Queens on a sound economic footing for the future.

    I don't wish to quell passion, - but sometimes we need to be fully aware of what is being done on our behalf before we go in with the size 10's.

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    Heresay and Chinese whispers are a dangerous combination to base any opinion/argument upon.

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    Hewitson may well be a businessman, but his PR is non existent. We never hear much from the boardís mouthpieces either, unfortunately!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jardi View Post
    Francis I understand your passion for wanting the best for the club. However, I must mention the word caution and ask you to think about Bury FC. ÖÖ...It's almost as if their demise didn't happen.

    If you are so passionate about Queen of the South - then it would be in the interests of the club and its supporters for you to come up with a 10 point plan of how you would take the club forward, - rather than simply ousting the chairman. I suspect if you were to oust the chairman then you really would see freefall.

    I was using a political analogy in my earlier post, -and I am of the humble opinion that none of our politicians have a clue (at the moment) of what is best for our country. As for Scotland, - what is the point in voting for Independence with a basket case economy? (I'm not making this up, - we are way below Romania) The reality is that Europe would not allow Scotland to join the economic union so we would be left on the edge of the Atlantic to fend for ourselves.

    It's all very well to get pumped up about our club and our country, - but once we have no club to support and no-one to fund us with economic aid what do we do then?

    I think some serious decision making is required before we dive in with both feet.
    Interesting so you think our country like our club is too poor and too wee. Such little ambition for either.
    As to Scotland being a basket case economically what a glowing reference for Westminster control.🤔

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