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    5th Test

    More muddled thinking from England selectors. Our batting has failed miserably and yet it has taken us until the last test to drop a batsman (Australia have changed 3 of their top 6.) We replace him with an all rounder (nothing against Sam Curran who deserves a chance. Would he have played if Stokes was fit to bowl? Would we have dropped Roy?) For me it was blindingly obvious before the series started we need to find at least one new top order bat and in that we have failed to even try.

    Great support from the fans. Full house at OT on the final day when we hade zero chance of winning and little chance of a draw. Don't think that would happen anywhere else in the world.

    Off to The Oval tomorrow a little bit deflated we won't be playing to win The Ashes. England batting first so lets hope they are still batting when I am there. More in hope than expectation.

    Here we go.

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    I like Curran a lot.

    His left arm bowling is good enough at this level and his batting last year was a revelation and to my mind it adds to our batting line up.

    My own view is that he could end up well up the order in the years to come.

    At this stage Curran’s role is uncertain due to the top six/seven being so abject at times and unpredictable all of the time.

    I’d still like to see Foakes as keeper and Curran coming in as a very strong number eight.

    Woakes is a non starter for most trips abroad so why play him in this test.

    I think we also miss the days when we had Broad at nine and Swann at ten in the days when Broad looked like a batsman and actually tried.

    The bottom line is that the top order need to get their act together OR they need binning and youngsters need to be tried.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mickd1961 View Post
    I like Curran a lot.

    His left arm bowling is good enough at this level and his batting last year was a revelation and to my mind it adds to our batting line up.

    My own view is that he could end up well up the order in the years to come.

    At this stage Curran’s role is uncertain due to the top six/seven being so abject at times and unpredictable all of the time.

    I’d still like to see Foakes as keeper and Curran coming in as a very strong number eight.

    Woakes is a non starter for most trips abroad so why play him in this test.

    I think we also miss the days when we had Broad at nine and Swann at ten in the days when Broad looked like a batsman and actually tried.

    The bottom line is that the top order need to get their act together OR they need binning and youngsters need to be tried.
    I'm not convinced that Curran is either one of our best 6 batsman or 3 best seamers but I do love his attitude. We can't just bin the whole top 6 but we should have done much sooner what the Aussies have done; recognise failure and replace one at a time and hope we find the gem we so desperately need.

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    Curran is a better batsman than Woakes and offers the left arm option missing from our attack.

    For me Woakes has had his day and he’s hopeless abroad.

    I was looking at the scores around the County Championship this week and virtually nobody is making a score!

    Pope got a 60 odd but that was about it I think.

    If the Kookaburra ball is going to be used everywhere in the world then we need to ditch the Duke in my opinion.

    We need hard,bouncy pitches at county level and the change of ball.

    Batsmen can start to get some scores for confidence and bowlers will need to work harder for their wickets preparing themselves for foreign pitches.

    These “trundlers” like Darren Stevens still playing into their 40’s and sending down 70 mph “dobbers” and getting wickets is ridiculous.

    Pitch conditions allied to the Duke ball and the time of the season four day cricket is being played is hindering us.

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    Four of us recently had exactly this conversation about Duke v Kookaburras. I get the arguement about the Kookaburra requiring the bowlers to actually bowl rather than 'just putting it up there and letting the ball do the work' which so many County cricketrs have made a living out of.
    But if we stop using Dukes in home series then we remove a huge part of home advantage. Of the last 20 + series in England we've only lost 2 so our home record can't get much better.
    I think we all know that the simple truth is the Aussies bowlers are too good for our current set of batsmen. And vice versa with one very notable exception.

    I do love the sublties of cricket. Pitch, overhead, ball conditions, ball type, weather, fields and a dozen other considerations make it for me a more interesting chat that football. But not as good a watch.
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    Is Tim Paine wearing Sam Johnstone's gloves?

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    Root has scored the most flakey 31 you’ll ever see.

    Shakes his head every time he plays a s h I t shot and then does exactly the same again.

    This is why he’s no Steve Smith......lacks the mental toughness.

    His conversion rate from 50 to 100 is awful.

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    Apparently Peter Siddle is considering staying in the UK after putting down Roots!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TipperaryBaggie View Post
    Apparently Peter Siddle is considering staying in the UK after putting down Roots!
    That's very funny.

    Root just doesn't strike me as a natural leader. Pre captaincy he was the joker in the pack not what you need from your captain. Now he comes across as unsure, a little bit rabbit caught in the headlights.

    Heard an interview with Mark Woods where he was asked about leadership. He immediately waxed lyrical about what a leader Stokes was both on and off the pitch. It was afterthought that he realised he ought to say something positive about Root but it came across as faint praise.

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    To be frank, it's a farce to say that Australia have retained the Ashes, it should read ' Smith retains the Ashes'. It doesn't matter what the result of this test is, except for Smith, most of their batsmen have hardly scored a run between them. Their bowlers have bowled well but so have ours. The only difference is Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leicesterbaggie View Post
    To be frank, it's a farce to say that Australia have retained the Ashes, it should read ' Smith retains the Ashes'. It doesn't matter what the result of this test is, except for Smith, most of their batsmen have hardly scored a run between them. Their bowlers have bowled well but so have ours. The only difference is Smith.
    This so true. Without Smith we would be bowling today for a 5-0 whitewash. We (me included) have slammed selectors and batsmen but if you picked a combined side 5 of the top 7 would be English.

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    And Smith is still there at the mo. He could potentially take this test into the final day. He really has been an absolute pain.

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    Gone It's that man Stokes again

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    Quote Originally Posted by phild View Post
    And Smith is still there at the mo. He could potentially take this test into the final day. He really has been an absolute pain.
    I knew i'd put the mokkers on him

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    Many series come down to one man,the issue with Smith is that Root’s captaincy has been of schoolboy standard.

    Putting Stokes at leg slip today was about the only bit of initiative shown towards Smith.

    A lack of Archer bowling at him,no Curran left arm swing to trouble him.....,Archer not used enough against him and not enough “chin music” aimed at him.

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    Hey lads, you've got to give the Aussie Smith bloke so much credit though for doing what hes good at, ie keeping hold of his his wicket sensibly, and knowing how to whack the bat about if/when needed.
    Is it fair to suggest that we would have won these Ashes if it wasn't for him, because they most certainly aren't a world beating Aussie team at the moment are they.
    This has been a massive missed opportunity to win back those Ashes, for me anyway! .

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    I have been lucky enough to have seen many days of Ashes cricket both here and in Oz. For me the Ashes series always is one of the worlds greatest sporting events.

    Competition is hard and margins are often very fine. A lot of the test matches are decided by what happens in key sessions of the match. Over the series these sessions have been pretty even and ultimately we have had a series that has been drawn which is probably a true reflection of many days of sport.

    If we had have held the Ashes before the series then we would have retained them. The result, a draw, is the same, but as the Aussies are the current holders then they retain them. However, as I was at pains to explain to my 2 Aussie grandchildren this morning, they did NOT win the Ashes they just retained them after a drawn series.

    Yes, probably without Smith we would have won the series but the same could be said about plenty of previous series when key players or a key player have just stood out when it really mattered. Sport, and cricket, have been the winners in what has been a great summer for our much maligned and criticised summer game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yarmbaggie View Post
    I have been lucky enough to have seen many days of Ashes cricket both here and in Oz. For me the Ashes series always is one of the worlds greatest sporting events.

    Competition is hard and margins are often very fine. A lot of the test matches are decided by what happens in key sessions of the match. Over the series these sessions have been pretty even and ultimately we have had a series that has been drawn which is probably a true reflection of many days of sport.

    If we had have held the Ashes before the series then we would have retained them. The result, a draw, is the same, but as the Aussies are the current holders then they retain them. However, as I was at pains to explain to my 2 Aussie grandchildren this morning, they did NOT win the Ashes they just retained them after a drawn series.

    Yes, probably without Smith we would have won the series but the same could be said about plenty of previous series when key players or a key player have just stood out when it really mattered. Sport, and cricket, have been the winners in what has been a great summer for our much maligned and criticised summer game.
    Good post Yarm , the Cricket for me this year has been brilliant loved every minute of it shame it's over .

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