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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesMcClean View Post
    Appere has been playing left side but had IMHO, been coming in more to an inside left channel and was playing much more closer to Shankland through games. Saturday it was almost like he was superglued to the left touchline. Result? Shankland is isolated with two central defenders and no 'big' player (i.e. Appere) to help with challenging these guys and stretching them, making their job harder, especially when the 'long balls' from the back were being bombed forward.
    I think that had more to do with the way they were set up to be fair, and probably because we felt more of a need to stretch them. Not that it worked particularly well though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobafett View Post
    Yeah, a lot of Utd fans seem to have a bee in their bonnet about this. I've never understood it.
    The fact is we just didn't play well on Saturday. And Arbroath worked their socks off, were very well organised and forced us to go long too often by pressing our midfield and full-backs whenever our centre-halves had possession. You have to give them credit for that.
    It’s the tentative start, and tippy tappy p!sh across the back/midfield that fecks me off, and that’s how we started on Sat (and I believe against Ayr).
    As I’ve said before, we should be starting with high intensity, and going straight for the jugular from kick-off every game, to get that all important first goal, and take control of the game. We did in the first four games (but unfortunate to lose the first goal against Partick, but regrouped), why not against Ayr? (Robbie more frightened to lose, than go win), it unsettled us, and against the mighty Arbroath at home, we do the same! Go figure??

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    It doesn't really matter as long as we get the three points though. That's twice out of six league matches we've been behind but won.

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    Terry,
    I really do applaud your positivity, but can you not see how that kind of performance from Saturday can end so differently against Morton? Getting further into the season with more managers getting their way of playing instilled into the players as well?

    Need to be treating every game like a cup final and raising our game like our opponents are doing or its gonna get painful again!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chick A Saw View Post
    Terry,
    I really do applaud your positivity, but can you not see how that kind of performance from Saturday can end so differently against Morton? Getting further into the season with more managers getting their way of playing instilled into the players as well?

    Need to be treating every game like a cup final and raising our game like our opponents are doing or its gonna get painful again!
    I don't see wanting to watch 88 minutes of sh1te as being positive at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JamesMcClean View Post
    Appere has been playing left side but had IMHO, been coming in more to an inside left channel and was playing much more closer to Shankland through games. Saturday it was almost like he was superglued to the left touchline. Result? Shankland is isolated with two central defenders and no 'big' player (i.e. Appere) to help with challenging these guys and stretching them, making their job harder, especially when the 'long balls' from the back were being bombed forward.
    Agreed. Play Appere beside Shankland, not out left.
    No coincidence we battered the Dees with that exact formation.

    Edit to say, the reason Ayr created so much for Shankland was they played Moffat in and around him.
    Last edited by stokearab; 23-09-2019 at 05:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballumbie_arab View Post
    It’s the tentative start, and tippy tappy p!sh across the back/midfield that fecks me off, and that’s how we started on Sat (and I believe against Ayr).
    As I’ve said before, we should be starting with high intensity, and going straight for the jugular from kick-off every game, to get that all important first goal, and take control of the game. We did in the first four games (but unfortunate to lose the first goal against Partick, but regrouped), why not against Ayr? (Robbie more frightened to lose, than go win), it unsettled us, and against the mighty Arbroath at home, we do the same! Go figure??

    As I've posted a few times and destroys this ridiculous scared to lose myth/theory

    Where are all the draws?? We aren't drawing league games since January, just 2 draws in 20 and none in the last 10 (8 wins 2 losses including the meaningless game at Morton)... It's because we are going for wins and not settling for a draw... That's why we won on Saturday and at Partick, and should have got something from Ayr but for Clarks miss from losing positions (another thing we have improved on under Neilson)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    Agreed. Play Appere beside Shankland, not out left.
    No coincidence we battered the Dees with that exact formation.

    Edit to say, the reason Ayr created so much for Shankland was they played Moffat in and around him.


    We have created the most chances, had most on target and scored the most in the league

    Given he has scored 10 in the league and missed other chances we are creating

    Not every game is going to be great where we get everything we want, Terry is spot on, all that matters in this division is the results and that's what we are doing consistently

    Can't beat a winning feeling and to get one from being behind against a good team defensively who were unbeaten since the opening game was pleasing when not playing well

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedka View Post
    We have created the most chances, had most on target and scored the most in the league

    Given he has scored 10 in the league and missed other chances we are creating

    Not every game is going to be great where we get everything we want, Terry is spot on, all that matters in this division is the results and that's what we are doing consistently

    Can't beat a winning feeling and to get one from being behind against a good team defensively who were unbeaten since the opening game was pleasing when not playing well
    Agree with all that, and generally feeling positive but the thread isn't about that. It's about the way Robbie sets the team up and how well we play as a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    That's how I've been seeing it too. There is a big hang up about one up front where, in reality, we play 4 up front with a lot of interchange.
    totally disagree, nothing like 4 up front, usual pish being 1 up front, 1 miles behind and two oot wide who 9/10 times arent even wingers

    its absolute dog sh1t

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    Quote Originally Posted by offshore_arab83 View Post
    totally disagree, nothing like 4 up front, usual pish being 1 up front, 1 miles behind and two oot wide who 9/10 times arent even wingers

    its absolute dog sh1t
    Exactly this. Its nothing like four up front. So are we playing 6-0-4?? No we're not, as we still have three in midfield.
    4-4-2 is a strict four in midfield with two out & out strikers. 4-2-3-1 is one up front with the three behind doing the interchanging. The only one constant is Shankland being up front in his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedka View Post
    As I've posted a few times and destroys this ridiculous scared to lose myth/theory

    Where are all the draws?? We aren't drawing league games since January, just 2 draws in 20 and none in the last 10 (8 wins 2 losses including the meaningless game at Morton)... It's because we are going for wins and not settling for a draw... That's why we won on Saturday and at Partick, and should have got something from Ayr but for Clarks miss from losing positions (another thing we have improved on under Neilson)
    Dress it up all you want Shedka, we got away with it Saturday, but not at Ayr, and if Robbie persists with the “shackled” approach too many times, he’ll blow it, and only got himself to blame!

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    Nothing to dress up, just stating the facts and disproving what you said about being scared to lose as it simply doesn't add up, where are all these draws? Neilson is delivering results and wins and long may it continue, as I said post play offs right after losing pens about this season we were on an upwards trend post January and just needed to add to the base we had built, said it again in pre season that we should be confident about this season and hitting the ground running, that's what we've done, we have the right man in charge to lead us forward not only out of this division but into the top flight

    Talk of him being under pressure or on shoogly pegs is not only silly talk it's tiresome during such a positive period

    That's not to say there arent things that we won't agree with him on, I such think we should have started brown at Ayr and agree prefer Appere closer to Shankland on Saturday , at same time the subs he made worked, we kept probing and playing and we won.. Just wish any criticism was balanced with credit and came without talk of shoogly peg or pressure, needless.. if anyone really believes a managerial change would help the club this season then I'd advise to seek help, we have stability, we are building, the vibe is good, the crowds are good, the team spirit in players and staff is good (they wouldn't want a managerial change either), and we can see players improving under RN along with results over his tenure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballumbie_arab View Post
    Dress it up all you want Shedka, we got away with it Saturday, but not at Ayr, and if Robbie persists with the “shackled” approach too many times, he’ll blow it, and only got himself to blame!
    You might as well talk to the wall mate. Now we're getting rubbish about 'shoogly pegs' etc. Where on here did anyone say the manager is under threat, total garbage. Fans have genuine fears about the poor standard of football being witnessed and worried about some of the managers decision making and we're not allowed to voice them on here apparently. I thought it was a forum ffs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjaflup22 View Post
    You might as well talk to the wall mate. Now we're getting rubbish about 'shoogly pegs' etc. Where on here did anyone say the manager is under threat, total garbage. Fans have genuine fears about the poor standard of football being witnessed and worried about some of the managers decision making and we're not allowed to voice them on here apparently. I thought it was a forum ffs...
    Simple fact is we cant have a reasonable balanced debate on tactics and performances without being accused by Shedka of being a lynch mob. Which is nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjaflup22 View Post
    You might as well talk to the wall mate. Now we're getting rubbish about 'shoogly pegs' etc. Where on here did anyone say the manager is under threat, total garbage. Fans have genuine fears about the poor standard of football being witnessed and worried about some of the managers decision making and we're not allowed to voice them on here apparently. I thought it was a forum ffs...
    Exactly, but all good in Shedka world, and god forbid anyone who questions Robbie’s team selection or tactics, even if we lose or scrape a win FFS!!! Pint of what he’s drinking, eh?? 🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballumbie_arab View Post
    Exactly, but all good in Shedka world, and god forbid anyone who questions Robbie’s team selection or tactics, even if we lose or scrape a win FFS!!! Pint of what he’s drinking, eh?? 🤣
    Or smoking... 😂

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballumbie_arab View Post
    Exactly, but all good in Shedka world, and god forbid anyone who questions Robbie’s team selection or tactics, even if we lose or scrape a win FFS!!! Pint of what he’s drinking, eh?? 🤣
    He makes a good point though, Robbie deserves credit for making good tactical changes during the match on Saturday that won us the points. All we are getting is about his poor decisions getting us playing poorly in the first place. Zero credit to Arbroath too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    He makes a good point though, Robbie deserves credit for making good tactical changes during the match on Saturday that won us the points. All we are getting is about his poor decisions getting us playing poorly in the first place. Zero credit to Arbroath too.
    Arbroath got exactly what they deserved - Cheating bassas from the minute they scored, all over the park.

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    Whilst I understand concerns over the performance there’s been an over reaction. If Shankland’s chance in first half goes in off inside of post instead of back out then we probably go onto win by 2 or 3.

    Arbroath a very stuffy team and do their jobs well. We have plenty previous for throwing in our worst home performance against low ranked sides. Brechin very nearly got a draw, Dumbarton got back to back draws at Tannadice over 2 seasons and who could forget the day Gretna came and left with all 3 points.

    I was as displeased as anyone with that first 88 minutes but the end result showed we’ve turned a corner.

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