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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    Free Palestine?
    Palestine is free! Go to Cairo and take a plane to anywhere,so easy! But Hamas will not let them out
    Departing from Gaza is two-fold:
    1) You need permission to LEAVE Gaza!
    2) you need permission to ENTER either a) Egypt, or b) Israel.

    Permission to Leave Gaza:

    An applicant’s request to leave Gaza must be approved by both Hamas and by the Palestinian Authority. There are many reports of officials from both these bodies demanding large sums of money in exchange for exit permits. Hajer Harb, a Palestinian journalist, published an investigative report that disclosed how Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (PA) were using medical care to blackmail Palestinian patients. Her report exposed how some physicians and Hamas and PA officials were demanding bribes in return for issuing permits to patients to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment in Israel, the West Bank and Arab and Western countries. Palestinians Imprison Journalists for Exposing Corruption [A Hamas court sentenced her to six months in prison and a fine.]

    In June 2017, Gazan Palestinians were reporting unexplained delays in receiving permits from the PA in Ramallah to leave the Strip for treatment in Israel, Jordan or the West Bank. These testimonies have been reinforced by data received by Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, indicating that the PA Health Ministry has stopped facilitating this treatment for Gazans. According to the data, the PA has delayed issuing payment vouchers for more than 1,600 patients from Gaza, including patients with cancer and heart disease, and children who need treatments unavailable in Gaza. More than 90 percent of patients who asked for these vouchers during the past month are still waiting; of the 120 or so daily requests being submitted to the PA Health Ministry, only around 10 get approved.

    These Labour fellows should direct this cause against Hamas ( B T and co) Please do your homework. Every time you post, I edit some truth against this bad dream of yours!!
    Tell me some "truth" against Israeli sponsored apartheid Balan...

    https://medium.com/@thepalestineproj...s-349e70cf22a6

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    Free Palestine?
    Palestine is free! Go to Cairo and take a plane to anywhere,so easy! But Hamas will not let them out
    Departing from Gaza is two-fold:
    1) You need permission to LEAVE Gaza!
    2) you need permission to ENTER either a) Egypt, or b) Israel.

    Permission to Leave Gaza:

    An applicant’s request to leave Gaza must be approved by both Hamas and by the Palestinian Authority. There are many reports of officials from both these bodies demanding large sums of money in exchange for exit permits. Hajer Harb, a Palestinian journalist, published an investigative report that disclosed how Hamas and the Palestinian Authority (PA) were using medical care to blackmail Palestinian patients. Her report exposed how some physicians and Hamas and PA officials were demanding bribes in return for issuing permits to patients to leave the Gaza Strip for medical treatment in Israel, the West Bank and Arab and Western countries. Palestinians Imprison Journalists for Exposing Corruption [A Hamas court sentenced her to six months in prison and a fine.]

    In June 2017, Gazan Palestinians were reporting unexplained delays in receiving permits from the PA in Ramallah to leave the Strip for treatment in Israel, Jordan or the West Bank. These testimonies have been reinforced by data received by Physicians for Human Rights-Israel, indicating that the PA Health Ministry has stopped facilitating this treatment for Gazans. According to the data, the PA has delayed issuing payment vouchers for more than 1,600 patients from Gaza, including patients with cancer and heart disease, and children who need treatments unavailable in Gaza. More than 90 percent of patients who asked for these vouchers during the past month are still waiting; of the 120 or so daily requests being submitted to the PA Health Ministry, only around 10 get approved.

    These Labour fellows should direct this cause against Hamas ( B T and co) Please do your homework. Every time you post, I edit some truth against this bad dream of yours!!
    I'd rather listen to a serious debate Balan...

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    B T : You write ........''I'm still unsure sinkov, how the UN allowed Palestine to become Israel?.......


    Then all these debates and points of view which you have,how can you base your facts and what you write ?

    If you do not know the history???

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    I know for certain since 1947, the Palestinians have been evicted from their homes, had their land and properties stolen and the remaining few live in a giant concentration camp called Gaza City.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    So leaving Gaza is made difficult by Hamas no less than by other bodies. But the real OP question is WHY?

    A poll conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research in Judea and Samaria and the Gaza Strip between June 29 and July 1, 2017 reported that 47% of the residents of the Gaza Strip would emigrate were they given the chance. [Face-to-face interviews were conducted with a random sample of 1,200 adults in 120 residential locations with an error rate of 3%.] Here are just some of the consequences of significant emigration of Palestinians out of the Strip:

    Such extreme lack of support for Hamas leadership and management would be devastatingly embarrassing.
    The loss of the lucrative businesses of taxes on smuggled merchandise from the illegal tunnels into Egypt, along with the present, ongoing Hamas exit permits (for round-trips) would be a heavy financial blow.
    The heavy taxes all the people are required to pay the government is very much needed, especially since Abbas (the Palestinian Authority) has increasingly been cutting off funds to Gaza.
    The purpose of Hamas is to the ‘reclaim’ land allegedly belonging to Gazan inhabitants. If the people choose to move away to live in other countries, Hamas loses its reason for being.
    Hamas needs its people to supply its fighters. It needs its civilians to shield its fighters.
    Hamas needs people to stay in its Gazan refugee camps (even though they are already in their Palestinian homeland!) in order to keep up the flow of money from international organizations for ‘refugees’.
    A significant exodus would make it much more difficult to maintain that Palestinians are united behind the inflexible Hamas goal of replacing Israel with an all-Arab country.
    A 14 year old Palestinian kid uses a sling-hot to chuck a stone at the IDF and this is the usual type of Israeli "justified reprisal"...

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    B T : .......''I know for certain since 1947, the Palestinians have been evicted from their homes........""Not true!"

    The majority of the Palestinians left because of reasons, fear, of being killed, during fighting that was a daily occurrence,the Arab Radio stations were calling for the Palestinian Arabs to leave Israel, the idea being if all the Arabs leave, then Arab armies would enter and easily take control of Israel. The Arab Liberation Army led by Fawzi al-Qawuqji.

    Syria's President Shukri al-Quwatli knew that the Syrian Army was undependable and useless as an instrument of war,therefore, it was much safer for Syria to influence the situation in Palestine by building up a force that was to be paid for and armed by all the Arab League countries. Egypt was to pay for 42% of the costs, Syria and Lebanon 23%, Saudi Arabia 20%, and Iraq the remaining 15%.

    On 5 March 1948 Qawuqji returned to Palestine and set his headquarters in the Jaba village between Nablus and Jenin. He also set up a radio station broadcasting propaganda in Hebrew, Arabic and English.He called for the Palestinians to flee out of Israel.

    Check photos of Palestinians leaving Israel, 'Palestine Remembers' with their belongings ,no Israeli solders can be seen ,they left as were advised ,or through fear ,that's what people do in times of war!

    Shootings happened in my area ,so that the post could not be sent from Nahariya to Haifa, so it was sent by sea ! The letters with the post mark ''From Nahariya to Haifa by sea'' ,are a collectors item.

    I will admit in the area near Tel-Aviv, some may have been ordered to leave ,but not in the Galilee and the north

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    Just your everyday round up of 14 year old "terrorists"...

    https://bahaashammala.blogspot.com/2...-ramallah.html

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    BT : Yet again this paper is ''Gazan Youth voice'',so they write about what happens in the West Bank,yet are posting from the Gaza Strip.
    Kidnapped?
    More like they were hurling rocks ,not small stones. If you look you can count the rocks on the ground. Then yes, don't forget the press!!!If the kids are taught to hate then this is the result!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    BT : Yet again this paper is ''Gazan Youth voice'',so they write about what happens in the West Bank,yet are posting from the Gaza Strip.
    Kidnapped?
    More like they were hurling rocks ,not small stones. If you look you can count the rocks on the ground. Then yes, don't forget the press!!!If the kids are taught to hate then this is the result!!
    The kids throw rocks, then the Israelis bomb the phuck out of them. Behave yourself.

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    B T : Your post # 26 shows a heavy bombardment of Gaza city, after close to 300 rockets were fired from the Gaza Strip towards southern Israeli communities on Saturday, striking several homes and leaving one elderly woman severely wounded by shrapnel. (take note I advise you not to take notes from ''THE ELECTRONIC INTIFADA'')

    Israel bombed and destroyed a building housing a cultural center in Gaza City. The attacks occurred in advance of Israel’s Independence Day and 10 days before the Eurovision Song Contest. While the majority of rockets launched by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad fell in open areas, several hit homes in communities in southern Israel, including in Beersheba, Sderot and Ashkelon.

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1124726273757077504

    https://twitter.com/i/status/1124740695028322305

    https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-C...unities-588669

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    It's all too little too late sinkov. The US money printing machine and the Israeli military machine are simply to potent for a few isolated defenceless Arabs…
    Indeed BT, it's just a shame for the poor buggers in Gaza that the Iranian military machine doesn't come to the same conclusion, and ceases funding Hamas to fight a proxy war for them. It's the ordinary Palestinians who are the losers, but do the Iranians care, do they feck, to them the Palestinians are expendable, and in such circumstances, then why should the Israelis care ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    I'm still unsure sinkov, how the UN allowed Palestine to become Israel and subjugate a nation of Arabs into becoming either exiled or second class citizens.
    It was all a long time ago BT, and we can't turn the clock back, we are where we are, Israel exists and is not going away. There is no peace for anyone in Gaza until Iran accepts this simple fact of life. Which it shows no inclination to do, so you can howl at the moon, and the Israelis as well if you so wish, by attacking only one side in this conflict, you encourage the other side, and so prolong the suffering of the poor buggers in Gaza.

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    BT : When we talk about the Iranians .....Your focus is on the Palestinians ,but another proxy regime is in the Yemen. Lets question how one of the poorest countries in the world, in the midst of brutal armed conflict, built all these drones, when many countries that are far wealthier cannot make their own drones.
    According to Press TV in Iran, the Houthi Arabic news station Ansarullah reported that the Houthi forces have 11 missile systems, some of them “completely indigenous.” One of them is the Quds-1 winged missile, which can travel 1,700 km., the sources claim.
    The article also claims the Houthis have “eight combat and surveillance drones the Yemeni army has produced during the war.” The article admits that some of these weapons are based on developing weapons based on older Russian weapons that were available locally.
    The Houthis, despite being isolated, certainly seem to have access to all sorts of goodies. The Quds 1 has a Czech TJ100 engine, according to reports. These engines are apparently ideal for drones or UAVs. They’ve been spotted on Iranian-made drones, the website Ars Technica says. Yet the UN estimates that Yemen is heading toward becoming one of the poorest countries in the world. It also has a diverse and interesting fleet of military drones being used to confront one of the wealthiest countries in the world. The Press TV article provides a list.

    The drones include the “Hod Hod,” a surveillance drone that ca fly for an hour and a half and go 30 km. Another, called the Raqib, uses “laser technology” and can fly 15 km. The Rased can fly for 500 km. to conduct mapping and photography
    There are also a fleet of attack drones or loitering munitions. The famous Qasef-1 can carry a 30-kg. warhead to strike targets. The Qasef K2, unveiled in January, also can bring explosives to strike a target. The Houthis engineered it to detonate close to targets and spread shrapnel as well. A third drone called the Sammad-2 can supposedly fly 1,300 km. And don’t forget the Sammad-3, a “stealth combat drone” that can fly 1,700 km.

    One almost gets the sense that the recent use of drones and cruise missiles, whether by the Houthis or Iran, has stoked the feeling that Iran and its allies are winning.
    Since air-defence systems have costs that run into the billions, with a recent price tag in Poland costing $10.5 billion for four Patriot systems, the fact that one of the poorest areas in one of the poorest countries has used drones and cruise missiles to outmaneuver such a system would seem to send a big message.

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    BT: Palestinians say they want peace while teaching their children to kill Jews.

    http://www.freespeech-time.com/2019/...7UfhCLNrzWsnl8


    Watch: You won't believe your eyes! Every day, Palestinian children are being taught to kills Jews.
    This horrible Incitement on Palestinian Schools, mosques, kindergartens and official TV channels must be stopped!
    In newly released documents, the Palestinian Authority confesses that in the first 5 months of 2019, it paid 234,000,000 shekels (over $65 million/€58 million) in salaries to terrorists. This is a rise of over 11% compared to 2018.
    In calendar year 2018, the Trump Administration has significantly cut funding for the Palestinians including $231.532 million economic assistance and $424.3 million to UNRWA (UN agency in Gaza and Ramallah).
    Here is a list of Western countries that fund the UN agency, which mainly serves Palestinian terrorists:
    EU $179 Million, Germany $177M, UK $93M, Sweden $65M, Norway $36M, Canada $27M, Spain $19M, Australia $16M.
    Every civilized country should cut all its foreign aid to the Palestinians.

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    The real Israel...

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    B T : There are about 9 million Israeli's today,surely we can find more than 5 nutcases? Five right wingers?

    In the period of Israels labour party led by Yitzhak Rabin about 1993-5. He called for a dialogue ,peace with the Arabs.
    In February 1992 in the Labour Party, Rabin was selected Chairman , after the election victory in June 1992, began his second tenure as Prime Minister and Minister of Defence.

    Rabin's 2nd term as Prime Minister had two historic events - the Oslo Agreements with the Palestinians and the Treaty of Peace with Jordan . Working closely with Shimon Peres, the Foreign Minister and his longtime rival, he masterminded negotiations on the Declaration of Principles signed with the PLO at the White House in September 1993. It opened negotiations with the Palestinians on autonomy in Gaza and some areas of Judea and Samaria and on the establishment of a Palestinian Authority. Then, in October 1994, a Treaty of Peace was signed with the Kingdom of Jordan. This encouraged the development of ties with additional Arab countries in North Africa and the Persian Gulf.

    On November 4, 1995, on leaving a mass rally for peace held under the slogan "Yes to Peace, No to Violence," Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated by a Jewish right-wing extremist.
    We offered peace to the Arabs but in return we got thousands of rockets. Even people of the left wing saw the folly of dialogue! (and peace!) That's why a right wing government followed !

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    It's like the Wild West on the West Bank Balan...

    Run 'em off their land.

    https://english.palinfo.com/news/201...aafOMsfrlSJZHE

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    After years of diplomatic wrangling, Israel and the Palestine Liberation Organisation signed the Oslo Accords. Under the Oslo Accords, the “West Bank” is divided into three administrative zones: Areas A, B, and C.

    Area A is reserved for Palestinian civil etc. Area B is governed by Palestinian civil control under a joint Israeli-Palestinian security apparatus.

    The majority of Area C residents are Israelis. Under the Oslo Accords, only the Israeli Civil Administration can authorise new construction in the zone for Israeli Jews and for Arabs alike.

    To create a de facto Palestinian state without further negotiation or even diplomatic consultation with the Israelis. European countries individually and through the E U. have pumped hundreds of millions of euros annually into scores of illegal state-building and related projects. Just one cluster of the European Union Area C Development Programme boasts a €300 million annual commitment, and within three years, is budgeted to reach about 1.5 billion euros. A single 1,650-meter road near Jenin in Area C was funded with a €500,000 allocation.

    The Area C Palestinian boom advances without any coordination with Israelis about land use, security, environmental impacts or close proximity to Jewish villages.
    Thus, European governments and the PA have completed the shredding of the already weakened Oslo agreements.

    Therefore if the land has been acquired illegally this quarrel,cutting down trees ,uprooting trees, stealing fruit etc, will go on and on and on both sides! (cont)

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    In many instances, Arab residents from Areas A and B are encouraged by incentives to relocate or start a second home in the new settlements. Some structures are makeshift, festooned with the logo of the European Union. Some are multi-floor office centers.

    In several cases, the illegal constructions are deliberately established on Israeli military reserves. Since the 1970's, Israel Defence Forces have maintained military training and firing ranges, such as Firing Zone 918. That zone now has illegal settlements.s

    While the sudden development rush has been percolating in the Jewish and Israeli media. Many are incredulous that the Israeli government has not acted to block the illegal projects. But a security spokesman close to the Area C files located in Bet El blames the inaction on Israel’s complex legal system.

    “When we discover something,” stated a security spokesman, “we give them a stop order, and if they don’t stop, they are summoned to an [adjudication] panel. But they don’t come. They go to court to enjoin us.”

    These court cases are frequently financed and represented by well-funded nongovernmental organisations, such as the Association for Civil Rights in Israel. The Gordian knot of legal principles to parse includes Ottoman land law from a long-dismantled empire, Jordanian law from the withdrawn 1948 illegal occupation, post-Six Day War military administrative law, and a library of international legal codes – all stoked and poked with competing maps, surveys, expert opinions, decrees, chronologies and historical accounts.(cont)

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