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    Derby v Luton

    Long time since this has been a league fixture.
    Should be an almost guaranteed three points but there are injury/fitness issues apparently.
    Not sure what’s happened with Marriott since he joined us. 44 appearances the season before but he seems to have struggled to start two successive matches for us since Christmas.
    Maybe it’s the Samson factor and he should grow his hair back.
    Be a lot more confident if he was available but I’ll go for a narrow 2-1 win and hope for more again.
    Surely Shinnie must get a look in at last...either he’s upset someone or the gap between Scottish football and the Championship is even bigger than we all thought.

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    Or he's just crap

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    Agree with rA.
    Narrow win, however, if the ****ers play I'll be rooting for Luton!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    Or he's just crap
    In which case...thanks Frank...nice leaving present!

    Sure I’ve heard good things about him in Scotland.

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    Lupoli hat trick should do it. Would be concerned if we didn't bring home the bisto best from this one... 3-1 to the Rams, conceding to a corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    Or he's just crap
    I am of this opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by macstheman View Post
    Agree with rA.
    Narrow win, however, if the ****ers play I'll be rooting for Luton!!
    Still of that opinion now the club has annunced its sanctions mac?

    I think the club got it right in not knee jerking to a reaction but rather investigating the facts, many of which we probably don't know yet and possibly never will before coming to a decision.

    Should the club continue looking at things in a footballing light now the fines have been announced? I think they should. Mason is probably worth his place on the bench and I would put him there. Tom? If you forget his brilliant display at Huddersfield, IMO, he has done nothing this season to warrant being in the match day squad and proably needs a rest and proper help to address the loss of his Mam. There are those who have said on social media platforms that "I lost my Mam and it didn't affect me like that".... and worse. The point is, Tom isn't you. You aren't Tom. Tom is a far better footballer than you. You coped better with your loss than Tom has. We all respond differently to similar experiences. You are you. Tom is Tom. Tom needs help. I for one hope he gets it and, if that has to be away from football for a while then I hope he gets the chance to get a handle on it.

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    So Shinnies are like London buses.... you wait for ages then two come along at once

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    So Shinnies are like London buses.... you wait for ages then two come along at once
    Well at least ours managed ninety minutes so that’s an improvement. Be interested in the verdict on how he played.

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    Apart from the one chance they put over from about 6 inches out, they didn’t look like worrying Roos who apart from one flap dealt with all the high balls perfectly. He was put under pressure by opponents when receiving the ball on the floor from teammates and, again, apart from one nearly incident got the ball safe.
    Bogle had a good game, not 100% yet but he showed us why we missed him so badly. Had he not had the injury we would be higher up the table than we are.
    Davies was solid both defensively and offensively. Cool,calm and collected.
    Clarke was every bit as good as Davies.
    Malone did as well on the left as Bogle did on the right.
    As a unit the defence was good but they keep getting themselves into tricky situations because they follow Cocu’s instructions. As with every game this season, the full backs moved 20 yards and more infield thereby giving their wide men all the time in the world to put a cross in. This tactic needs amending so that the full backs take note of where the ball is and then at the angle and distance from them of the wide man. Never get too far from him that you can’t close him down or even intercept the pass. Don’t let them get a free pass.
    Shinnie was my man of the match. He was brilliant in the 1st half. Less so in the 2nd but still good. Tackles, passes, covering lots of ground. Great debut.
    Bielik doesn’t have the assurance of Tom H but he had a good game until forced off with a knock. Tackles, passes, interventions. He has excellent anticipation. He’s a young lad and will only get better
    Paterson had another good un. He had a slow start in his Rams career but the last 3 games he has started to do for us what he did to us in the past.
    Jozefzoon had his best game of the season IMO but still only rateD a 5.5 IMO. There is a good player in there but we aren’t seeing it, not even now and again as he did with previous clubs.
    Martin wasn’t up to the standards he showed in his cameo at Leeds or the games against Brum and Barnsley. I can’t remember him making so many misplaced passes in a single game before. Still put a decent shift in though.
    Lawrence had a better game than he has of late but still not good enough. Hopefully he is on an upward spiral and performances improve. A tad lucky with the goal IMO, it was a hit and hope but they all count. Impressed with the way he didn’t celebrate.
    Derby had well the upper hand 1st half. Luton came out of the traps better 2nd half but the Rams came back into it and it was end to end stuff. Neither side created anything like enough real chances. Even the 2 goals were “lucky”.
    Unbeaten in 5 games, 9 points from 2 wins and 3 draws. A decent return in between 2 international breaks although, looking at the opposition it may be less than we might have hoped for.
    Still unsure about Cocu’s penchant for multiple changes most games. It’s not the way to build partnerships in a side. Luton haemorrhage goals yet, apart from the opening joke goal and Lawro’s cross annexe shot wasn’t meant to go in, we didn’t create any real chances. Yet again the final ball was found wanting.
    Pleased with the results in the main but not how we are getting them.

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    ‘Shinnie was my man of the match. He was brilliant in the 1st half. Less so in the 2nd but still good. Great debut’.

    Not so ‘crap’ then, GP and Adi.

    The mystery continues...why have we waited two months for a debut from a player who ‘tackles, passes and covers lots of ground’?

    Probably only played yesterday because Huddlestone injured himself taking a penalty, but a wholehearted mobile midfielder is what we’ve been crying out for for years. Sure he was also captain in Scotland. Puzzling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    ‘Shinnie was my man of the match. He was brilliant in the 1st half. Less so in the 2nd but still good. Great debut’.

    Not so ‘crap’ then, GP and Adi.

    The mystery continues...why have we waited two months for a debut from a player who ‘tackles, passes and covers lots of ground’?

    Probably only played yesterday because Huddlestone injured himself taking a penalty, but a wholehearted mobile midfielder is what we’ve been crying out for for years. Sure he was also captain in Scotland. Puzzling.
    They weren't my thoughts Ra. I saw Clarke in because of the Huddlestone injury replacing Bielik in the back 4 who moved to DM. I saw Shinnie in for Holmes.

    The change that got me was FloJo in for Waggy? No idea why before, during or after the game.

    With regard to the Hudds injury. He hit the penalty, moved away left and showed no sign of a problem. He was then barged, totally unnecessarily, by a Barnsley defender off the ball and that was when he, for me, picked up the injury.

    Shinnie. Has it been a case of "I didn't buy him" or was there a fitness question or ........ what? He's played and done well in the U23s and I had started to think he might have upset somebody...... a mystery indeed.

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    Probably right MA, either way...the point is we have waited two months for Shinnie to appear and then only because of injury.
    The DT appears in complete agreement with you about Shinnie’s performance, tenacity, appearing to be the key word.
    That, imo, is what we’ve been missing in midfield for years so I hope it was a fitness issue and not a case of ‘I didn’t buy him’ which would be disappointing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    ‘Shinnie was my man of the match. He was brilliant in the 1st half. Less so in the 2nd but still good. Great debut’.

    Not so ‘crap’ then, GP and Adi.

    The mystery continues...why have we waited two months for a debut from a player who ‘tackles, passes and covers lots of ground’?

    Probably only played yesterday because Huddlestone injured himself taking a penalty, but a wholehearted mobile midfielder is what we’ve been crying out for for years. Sure he was also captain in Scotland. Puzzling.
    Happy to be wrong. Long may it continue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AdiSalisbury View Post
    Happy to be wrong. Long may it continue!
    Sigh...if only you’d admit the same about ‘Remain’.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramAnag View Post
    Probably right MA, either way...the point is we have waited two months for Shinnie to appear and then only because of injury.
    The DT appears in complete agreement with you about Shinnie’s performance, tenacity, appearing to be the key word.
    That, imo, is what we’ve been missing in midfield for years so I hope it was a fitness issue and not a case of ‘I didn’t buy him’ which would be disappointing.
    I watched the Cocu interview after the match and he mentioned that about two weeks ago Shinnie had approached him about how he could improve as a player and what was needed to get into the the match day squad. He told Shinnie that he had been playing in a different leage and had to be able to get used to the style of play and to keep training hard as he had done and his opportunity will come.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manofpride View Post
    I watched the Cocu interview after the match and he mentioned that about two weeks ago Shinnie had approached him about how he could improve as a player and what was needed to get into the the match day squad. He told Shinnie that he had been playing in a different leage and had to be able to get used to the style of play and to keep training hard as he had done and his opportunity will come.
    Surely the same could be said about Bielik, Clarke and Lowe...so still puzzled.

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    indeed it could be said of the entire squad having to get used to a new manager every year, with their own playing style which suits some, but not all. Example: Chris Martin who has successfully (so far at least) come back in from the cold under the Cocu style. If we had a manager for more than a year then we wouldn't keep having this problem every season.

    I don't think its all about getting used to the league, after having played in another one, but rather getting used to what the manager wants. So I guess this means that Wazzer won't be in the first few squads in January?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    indeed it could be said of the entire squad having to get used to a new manager every year, with their own playing style which suits some, but not all. Example: Chris Martin who has successfully (so far at least) come back in from the cold under the Cocu style. If we had a manager for more than a year then we wouldn't keep having this problem every season.

    I don't think its all about getting used to the league, after having played in another one, but rather getting used to what the manager wants. So I guess this means that Wazzer won't be in the first few squads in January?
    Someone should have hired a fortune teller to show Schteeve the Newcastle job was a poison chalice, then we wouldn't be having this discussion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy_Faber View Post
    Someone should have hired a fortune teller to show Schteeve the Newcastle job was a poison chalice, then we wouldn't be having this discussion
    That’d be Schteeve ‘one good season in the last nine’ McClaren would it?

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