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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    I don't think he does chop and change the team unless he has to (injuries et cetera). Can you give examples from this league season where he's done that?
    Moved Smith from RB to LB

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    Moved our best midfielder to CB because he doesn't fancy his cover player there (Watson) but trusts Watson to play RB...

    I'm not there at St Andrews and maybe they were some correct decisions but it does leave you wondering, surely even you Terry? No I thought not.

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    Most of that was due to injury. Clark? Seriously? 🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerryTheTerror View Post
    Most of that was due to injury. Clark? Seriously? ��
    There's not much point in having a debate with you on this Terry because nothing, ever, would convince you that Robbie could be the reason we are getting some poor performances and bad results. So let's agree to disagree, I'll leave it there. Except to say you were one of a very few posters who though Csaba should be given the long term.

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    I'll criticise Robbie if I think he deserves it but I'll defend him if I think he's getting it tight for something he isn't doing. Clark only started the season as Pawlet was injured and during this time he did nothing BTW.

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    Nearly all of those were due to injury or illness (McMullan), that's the bottom line

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    .....and along comes Batman and Robin to tell us to jog on!!

    Excuses, excuses.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    Critics might say he's had two windows so maybe should have enough cover for the positions. Hard to say.
    For me it seems to do with coaching, one minute we look like Barca the next minute wed struggle to beat Bellshill Boys Club. He should be finding that consistency in performance by now. 2-0 v the Fun is plenty if we also get 0-1 at Alloa.
    Just to answer the question from Portuguese Frank I'm not wanting him sacked either but he can't keep chopping and changing the team and the tactics. The same formation home and away in this league will do the job
    Tbh I fear the guy thinks he's Pep Guardiola and overthinks things far too much.

    I doubt the owners will stick with him if we fail to get up this year and to be fair he'd only have himself to blame.
    The danger there is he's away to a new job and we're stuck with another year of this nightmare.
    Good post Stoke!👍

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    There's not much point in having a debate with you on this Terry because nothing, ever, would convince you that Robbie could be the reason we are getting some poor performances and bad results. So let's agree to disagree, I'll leave it there. Except to say you were one of a very few posters who though Cjsaba should be given the long term.
    Nope, both Batman and Robin stick their fingers in their ears and shout, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, , nah, nah, nah.....

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    Some of the posts about Neilson are way over the top. We played same formation 343 and positions v Alloa as we did v Morton. One big miss though, the Butch in midfield giving us that dig and winning the ball back. We got dominated in the middle of the park and didn’t control the game because of that. Did anyone have a problem with Smith playing out of position after the Morton game? Not that i can recall. We have had a decent to good start, everyone needs dummies back in and we go again at QOTS! We don’t have any giving right to win this league, we will have to go earn it.

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    Batman and Robin certainly beats






    Weird that some posters get annoyed when confronted with facts or reasons, the facts in the op or the reasons why their have been changes mainly being down to injury... Almost as if they are anti Neilson? or it could just come across that way and my be the case, fact is we don't have a perfect team or manager, we are a tier 2 side looking to get promotion and have started very well, with and disappointment thrown in

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedka View Post
    Batman and Robin certainly beats






    Weird that some posters get annoyed when confronted with facts or reasons, the facts in the op or the reasons why their have been changes mainly being down to injury... Almost as if they are anti Neilson? or it could just come across that way and my be the case, fact is we don't have a perfect team or manager, we are a tier 2 side looking to get promotion and have started very well, with and disappointment thrown in
    See this is the bottom line. Which is that football fans can discuss and debate their clubs players and coaches strengths and weaknesses without being anti the coach or anti the club. This is normal fan behaviour and isn't disloyal to the club the players or the coach in any way.

    Trying to shut down debate or ridicule posters as being haters negative or disloyal because you don't understand this is childish imo.

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    No one is shutting down debate and only childish stuff was your reaction to ttt correctly pointing out the reasons for him making line up changes on the whole had been enforced like he was slighting you (plus balumbies subsequent posts) when he just sees it different

    The fact there have been calls for Neilson's head (not by you) across the forums and stuff though it's absolute buffoonery of the highest degree, that's not shutting down debate either, that's just being sensible and fair based on his record, debating mistakes made then obviously that's normal,no one is stopping debate, just arguing the other way and backing out up with facts as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by shedka View Post
    No one is shutting down debate and only childish stuff was your reaction to ttt correctly pointing out the reasons for him making line up changes on the whole had been enforced like he was slighting you (plus balumbies subsequent posts) when he just sees it different

    The fact there have been calls for Neilson's head (not by you) across the forums and stuff though it's absolute buffoonery of the highest degree, that's not shutting down debate either, that's just being sensible and fair based on his record, debating mistakes made then obviously that's normal,no one is stopping debate, just arguing the other way and backing out up with facts as well



    Shedka, go read some of your replies to other posters, and some of TTT’s replies too. You both totally dismiss their points of view most/all of the time, and DO accuse them of hating, even wetting themselves!!
    I for one have not called for Robbie’s head, but certainly expressed concern over his team selection and tactics following the East Fife game (most of which stemmed from similar experiences last season, but granted it wasn’t his team then). I said after the East Fife game I had given him the benefit of the doubt for the coming season, but that performance/result against East Fife gave me the ABSOLUTE FEAR, and similar episodes in the league, would be his own undoing. I said I felt he needed to be more positive this season, and go for it straight from kick off, in ALL games. I believed we had the team to and I acknowledged I’d take another QoS result (like last season), BUT ONLY where we were clearly positive and attacking all game to get the win (not losing with a gutless performance).

    The first four games were a revelation, and I, like most others happily posted we were being proved wrong.

    We go to Ayr on a high, but then he plays the tentative, sit in and hit on the break approach, and we lose. I just didn’t get why he changed the approach.

    Anyway, the next game at Tannadice against the mighty Arbroath, we yet again put in a tentative performance, and almost blow it, but get out of jail with two late goals. I firmly believe the criticism aimed at Robbie after that game (regardless of the result) was fully justified.

    The next game against Morton, what can I say.....we blew them away, by simply attacking straight from kick off. Following that, I was right on here posting “That’s what we’re asking for”.

    On we go to Alloa, and yet again, and away from home, we start tentatively, and guess what, we get beat. It was Alloa we were playing, bottom of the league, part-timers, yet we couldn’t compete, let alone turn them over. You then wonder why posters are on here going mental?? We got out of jail with Ayr getting beat on Saturday, BUT we cannot afford to keep slipping up every 3-4 games, and honestly fear that’s what’s going to happen, because of Robbie’s stubbornness, team selection (players out of position), tactics, and what appears to be a negative approach away from home (sit in and hit on the break).

    Like many other posters, I’m United through and through, supported them for 40+ years, and experienced many highs and lows. I think this is our best chance yet to get promoted, and will be well p!ssed off if we blow it, for the reasons/concerns mentioned above and in most previous posts.

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    I see jack Ross has been sacked by Sunderland 🤣🤣🤣😁

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    I give my opinion about others viewpoints. For instance I think Stoke's point about Robbie tinkering with the team is without basis and said so. No one needs to take the hump, I just didn't agree and said so. I'm failing to see what is actually wrong with that. 🤔

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    Quote Originally Posted by ballumbie_arab View Post
    Shedka, go read some of your replies to other posters, and some of TTT’s replies too. You both totally dismiss their points of view most/all of the time, and DO accuse them of hating, even wetting themselves!!
    I for one have not called for Robbie’s head, but certainly expressed concern over his team selection and tactics following the East Fife game (most of which stemmed from similar experiences last season, but granted it wasn’t his team then). I said after the East Fife game I had given him the benefit of the doubt for the coming season, but that performance/result against East Fife gave me the ABSOLUTE FEAR, and similar episodes in the league, would be his own undoing. I said I felt he needed to be more positive this season, and go for it straight from kick off, in ALL games. I believed we had the team to and I acknowledged I’d take another QoS result (like last season), BUT ONLY where we were clearly positive and attacking all game to get the win (not losing with a gutless performance).

    The first four games were a revelation, and I, like most others happily posted we were being proved wrong.

    We go to Ayr on a high, but then he plays the tentative, sit in and hit on the break approach, and we lose. I just didn’t get why he changed the approach.

    Anyway, the next game at Tannadice against the mighty Arbroath, we yet again put in a tentative performance, and almost blow it, but get out of jail with two late goals. I firmly believe the criticism aimed at Robbie after that game (regardless of the result) was fully justified.

    The next game against Morton, what can I say.....we blew them away, by simply attacking straight from kick off. Following that, I was right on here posting “That’s what we’re asking for”.

    On we go to Alloa, and yet again, and away from home, we start tentatively, and guess what, we get beat. It was Alloa we were playing, bottom of the league, part-timers, yet we couldn’t compete, let alone turn them over. You then wonder why posters are on here going mental?? We got out of jail with Ayr getting beat on Saturday, BUT we cannot afford to keep slipping up every 3-4 games, and honestly fear that’s what’s going to happen, because of Robbie’s stubbornness, team selection (players out of position), tactics, and what appears to be a negative approach away from home (sit in and hit on the break).

    Like many other posters, I’m United through and through, supported them for 40+ years, and experienced many highs and lows. I think this is our best chance yet to get promoted, and will be well p!ssed off if we blow it, for the reasons/concerns mentioned above and in most previous posts.
    Good post. Couple of things. Like Ballumbie I'm a long term dyed in the wool Arab, since 1963 and no-one is going to get away with inferring im disloyal just because im open enough to give constructive criticism to players, managers or the club. Looking at your faults, knowing them, understanding them, is the basis of how you get better in life. And in sport. It's a positive trait to be able to debate strengths and weaknesses.

    Ok that out of the way, my main point is I think the forum is in danger of degenerating into a Dee type forum scenario if this isn't addressed. By that I mean if people want to vent a bit or criticise a bad performance in some way they shouldn't be getting constantly hounded by the same 2/3 posters who won't hear a bad word about anything to do with United. These posters should make their point and move away and stop trolling with posters on the thread in question. It's getting ridiculous tbh.
    Calling people muppets, knicker wetters, told to STFU, it's not right and let me be frank it's not being stamped on because the main mod agrees with that poster.
    If it goes on I'm going to post less, can't be ar5ed with this, im sure other posters feel the same.

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    So far I'm happy with the start to the season. Every team will drop points and have off days. This is the level.

    We are top. Defeat to Alloa doesn't give me cause to panic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    …my main point is I think the forum is in danger of degenerating into a Dee type forum scenario if this isn't addressed. By that I mean if people want to vent a bit or criticise a bad performance in some way they shouldn't be getting constantly hounded by the same 2/3 posters who won't hear a bad word about anything to do with United. These posters should make their point and move away and stop trolling with posters on the thread in question. It's getting ridiculous tbh.
    Calling people muppets, knicker wetters, told to STFU, it's not right and let me be frank it's not being stamped on because the main mod agrees with that poster.
    If it goes on I'm going to post less, can't be ar5ed with this, im sure other posters feel the same.
    Absolute nail on the head in my opinion. I've been thinking this for a while and I'm getting more and more disillusioned with what I'm reading on here these days. All I read are posts having a go at other posters and picking faults with what other folk are saying, people accusing others of saying things and really petty stuff, even going as far as name calling. There is as much of that as there is about actual football and the club in general.

    We're all frustrated at where we find ourselves and how long it's taking to bring some respectability back to the club but do we really need to be jumping down each other's throats just because we have a different idea about the best way to take the club forward?

    When all is said and done, no one on here has any say on team selection/signing players/hiring or firing managers so no one poses any kind of threat to the team/club or it's progress. By that token, it is my opinion that anyone should be able to voice their opinion without things descending to a personal level and specific posters being singled out for scrutiny and previous posts being trotted out as evidence.

    I for one will not be hanging around much longer if this continues and I'm sure others won't either. Before you know it, this place will just be the bickering forum for the select few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stokearab View Post
    Good post. Couple of things. Like Ballumbie I'm a long term dyed in the wool Arab, since 1963 and no-one is going to get away with inferring im disloyal just because im open enough to give constructive criticism to players, managers or the club. Looking at your faults, knowing them, understanding them, is the basis of how you get better in life. And in sport. It's a positive trait to be able to debate strengths and weaknesses.

    Ok that out of the way, my main point is I think the forum is in danger of degenerating into a Dee type forum scenario if this isn't addressed. By that I mean if people want to vent a bit or criticise a bad performance in some way they shouldn't be getting constantly hounded by the same 2/3 posters who won't hear a bad word about anything to do with United. These posters should make their point and move away and stop trolling with posters on the thread in question. It's getting ridiculous tbh.
    Calling people muppets, knicker wetters, told to STFU, it's not right and let me be frank it's not being stamped on because the main mod agrees with that poster.
    If it goes on I'm going to post less, can't be ar5ed with this, im sure other posters feel the same.
    Yeah to be honest that's what gets on my wick, folk (well mainly one person) suggesting that we're not 'real fans' or that we 'hope United will lose to make our point' - just because we have the audacity to criticise stuff. That's bang out of order.

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