England

[AdiSalisbury]

Excellent performance tonight. I think we take for granted these results now, yet 10 years ago we'd have scraped a 1-0 victory. Total transformation.

Shame some very good performances and a debut have been marred by racial abuse, some of it even organised. I thought booing the national anthem was disgusting, what followed is sickening.

[Oldtimeram]

I believe they won

[Geoff Parkstone]

Question is, was it some of the English fans in with the Bulgars that set them off. We are not innocents abroad ourselves....

[Andy_Faber]

Not really sure how much long-term impact England FCs stance will have when a few weeks ago 10,000 Leeds fans were chanting 'You Fat B**tard' at a Derby chubster - latent hatred is everywhere, emboldened by numbers

[MadAmster]

Indeed, where does banter stop and racism start? It starts when a colour or nationality is added. It is also seen as racism when a religion is added to the chant.

Whether calling someone overweight and illegiitimate should fall under some kind of unacceptable -ism is a matter for debate.

How far should fans be allwoed to go? IMO asking David Beckham if 'er indoors likes anal *** is going too far. You can all, more than likely, think of a myriad of other chants that are simply "not on".

[ramAnag]

Indeed, where does banter stop and racism start? It starts when a colour or nationality is added. It is also seen as racism when a religion is added to the chant.

Whether calling someone overweight and illegiitimate should fall under some kind of unacceptable -ism is a matter for debate.

How far should fans be allwoed to go? IMO asking David Beckham if 'er indoors likes anal *** is going too far. You can all, more than likely, think of a myriad of other chants that are simply "not on".

Bottom line is, maybe, MA - and it goes for people on here as well as in crowds - if you wouldn’t say it individually to someone’s face then don’t say it.
Too many get ‘brave’ via the anonymity of an online forum or ‘hidden’ amongst a crowd.

Never had much time for Stan Collymore but some of the chants about his mental health were out of order too imo and in answer to the banter v racism question...isn’t it the case that racism is always wrong?

[MadAmster]

Bottom line is, maybe, MA - and it goes for people on here as well as in crowds - if you wouldn’t say it individually to someone’s face then don’t say it.
Too many get ‘brave’ via the anonymity of an online forum or ‘hidden’ amongst a crowd.

Never had much time for Stan Collymore but some of the chants about his mental health were out of order too imo and in answer to the banter v racism question...isn’t it the case that racism is always wrong?

Still the grey area between banter and any -ism though IMO.

Imagine the scenario, and we will have all witnessed exactly this one, an expensive striker is having an off day and has missed 3 open chances which any of us could have bobbed in off our Johnsons........ cue "score in a brothel, you couldn't score.......". Banter. We may even know players who CAN score in one - However, if that striker is German, for instance, and he gets serenaded with "you useless German ******", then it is racist. It's that simple.

Monkey noises and throwing bananas is racist too. Not big, not clever, just racist. It should no longer happen.

[Andy_Faber]

Whether calling someone overweight and illegiitimate should fall under some kind of unacceptable -ism is a matter for debate.

Happy to have that debate. Here's my starter.

Racial abuse by a couple of dozen tits of massively highly paid dilletantes who happen to be good at football. Unacceptable

Size/weight shaming pretty similar to the Leeds fans example by 10,000 tits of my two cousins, both with chronic issues leading to weight gain, who invest maybe 20% of their disposable income in following their team (not Derby as it happens). Unacceptable

Both IMO deserving of the same attention, yet unsurprisingly given the way of the world (or the UK at least) not

[GUNTERYY36]

Not a mention of the slaughter of white farmers in S Africa. Or the unimaginable atrocities of muslims on white children. Throw a banana on to a football pitch and World War III breaks out. White man's burden, I guess.

[ramAnag]

Not a mention of the slaughter of white farmers in S Africa. Or the unimaginable atrocities of muslims on white children. Throw a banana on to a football pitch and World War III breaks out. White man's burden, I guess.

‘No mention...of the unimaginable atrocities of Muslims on white children’...really?

So how do you know about it...if, as according to you, it’s ‘unimaginable’ and there’s been ‘no mention’ of it.

That comment is absolute tripe and you know it. Yes the primarily left wing councils were hopelessly wrong in initially trying to cover up the activities of ‘grooming gangs’ in various parts of the country, but there have, quite rightly, been an endless supply of dramas and documentaries not to mention never ending newspaper articles covering the subject ever since.

You may be ‘sick to the back teeth of hearing about racism’...perhaps that’s because you’ve never been a victim of it...and what’s ‘the less said about Muslims the better’ meant to mean?