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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    The shortlist was imposed upon them, with no local candidates.
    If you're aware of Sophie Wilson's involvement over Spearmint Rhino in Sheffield you will see she's an arrogant and unpleasant piece of work. Her Twitter comments are educational and she called Sammy Woodhouse, a Rotherham *** abuse victim, "trashy".

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    Whilst I agree that it would be better to have MPs coming from/living in a constituency, non local MPs are the norm around the country and is the same across all parties, not just Labour:

    http://www.democraticaudit.com/2013/...ve-us-believe/

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    Something's happened since the morning of the 9th..............nothing but silence
    Bit like buses none for ages then 3 all at once
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Whilst I agree that it would be better to have MPs coming from/living in a constituency, non local MPs are the norm around the country and is the same across all parties, not just Labour:

    http://www.democraticaudit.com/2013/...ve-us-believe/
    Indeed. I recall an election in Rotherham in the 70s when Labour quite rightly made a fuss about the Tory candidate being from Portsmouth, but that's not really the point being made here is it?

    The Rother Valley shortlist was imposed upon the constituency party by the National Labour Party, for which read Momentum.

    Do you think the shortlist consisted of people who were thought to be best informed on Rother Valley issues, or do you think it possible that it consisted of Momentum members who know all the words to 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' and can hold the tune?

    It's that approach that gave Jared O'Mara to the folk of Sheffield Hallam and will create more Jared's this time round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wendun View Post
    If you're aware of Sophie Wilson's involvement over Spearmint Rhino in Sheffield you will see she's an arrogant and unpleasant piece of work. Her Twitter comments are educational and she called Sammy Woodhouse, a Rotherham *** abuse victim, "trashy".
    Im not aware. What was her involvement in Spearment Rhino? Interested to know as shes standing area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    Im not aware. What was her involvement in Spearment Rhino? Interested to know as shes standing area.
    Hi WanChai, read the articles by feminist writers like Julie Bindell and Janice Turner. Basically Wilson opposed moves to close the lap dancing club.

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    The days of your MP being local and from an industrial background are long gone. ( more's the pity )
    Demographics have changed dramatically over a long period of time. Heavy industry near enough gone, Mining, Steel Industry reduced, Manufacturing and Engineering shrunk.

    My gripe with ALL MP's is they should ' engage their brain ' and give some thought what they're going to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    Indeed. I recall an election in Rotherham in the 70s when Labour quite rightly made a fuss about the Tory candidate being from Portsmouth, but that's not really the point being made here is it?

    The Rother Valley shortlist was imposed upon the constituency party by the National Labour Party, for which read Momentum.

    Do you think the shortlist consisted of people who were thought to be best informed on Rother Valley issues, or do you think it possible that it consisted of Momentum members who know all the words to 'Oh Jeremy Corbyn' and can hold the tune?

    It's that approach that gave Jared O'Mara to the folk of Sheffield Hallam and will create more Jared's this time round.
    I think it quite likely that, like any other parties, they will choose candidates that will support wholeheartedly the Labour manifesto. There is no point putting forward a person who opposes Labour's central ideas is there? All parties follow this process, including the more extreme version of the conservative party who, in fairness and on balance to the above discussion have probably de selected, or had more MPs defect that Labour due to what they perceive as a more extreme party, These are weird, and divisive times in politics but let's not get carried away, as the number of MPs standing down is still quite a bit below the the number who stood down before the last 3 elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    I think it quite likely that, like any other parties, they will choose candidates that will support wholeheartedly the Labour manifesto. There is no point putting forward a person who opposes Labour's central ideas is there?
    There is an obvious danger in this approach of stultifying debate. It's also an odd assertion given that Corbyn opposed the Labour whip 428 times and repeatedly refused to campaign in support of several Labour manifestos. And Wilson was of course chosen before any manifesto has been published.

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    @ Raging

    Again, whether deliberately or not, you are missing the point.

    Surely, constituency Labour Party members are best placed to have a clear understanding of the issues being faced by a constuency? On that basis alone, shouldn't a constituency party have the right to make their selection of a Labour candidate as opposed to be given a list of Momentum approved clones?

    On the face of it, the Islington Labour constituency repeatedly put forward a candidate that did not support the core policies of the supposedly 'Tory-lite' Blair manifestoes when they selected Corbyn. Were they wrong to do that?

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