O/T - general election 2019

[rolymiller]

Have a read everybody it is very interesting. Not trying to score points or anything. Have a look on page 10 and decide whiich shape you are. i would go for type B at a glance but possibly partly type c with a small underclass layer ie criminals etc. How about you Howdy and Kerr? I would guess D for you both but may be wrong. Think I would be 2 layers up from the bottom. I would basically be wanting to fight the political corner of the bottom layer for type B.

Now you know my story Howdy.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

I wouldn't claim to be a doctor like some though!

Or any other profession?

[Silly-miller]

Have a read everybody it is very interesting. Not trying to score points or anything. Have a look on page 10 and decide whiich shape you are. i would go for type B at a glance but possibly partly type c with a small underclass layer ie criminals etc. How about you Howdy and Kerr? I would guess D for you both but may be wrong. Think I would be 2 layers up from the bottom. I would basically be wanting to fight the political corner of the bottom layer for type B.

Now you know my story Howdy.

I can’t read all that roly I’m not smart enough I guess

[Silly-miller]

You see corbyn today say he wants to nationalise broadband internet?

He’s starting to remind me of the child catcher from chitty chitty bang bang

Lollipops roly get your lollipops 🍭

[howdydoo]

Type C for me Roly.

Would love society to look after layers 2 and 3 from the bottom. That’s where the core working class and decent people are. These are the people who get a raw deal but they’re having a good go. Help them by all means.

Anyone in the bottom layer, who has a decent IQ and are healthy, I don’t have a lot of time for, I’m afraid. Not the elderly (scumbags get old though), the sick and the mentally ill. Give them all the help they need.

Give the free loaders and scumbags £5k each to be sterilised and stop having a lot of babies.

I’d pay another 2p income tax for that.

Have a nice weekend.

[KerrAvon]

I'd personally prefer it if everyone over 20k would be in the picture for a progressive rise upwards to the suggested plans. But whenever that comes up, the media have historically used it to help persuade people to vote against it (even though the majority say they are willing to give it). I know you'll disagree and say that it isn't anything to do with the media, that people are making up their own minds but we'll just have to agree to disagree about that. So we have to find other ways.

Of course even these plans wouldn't be sufficient for what is needed. It's a quite modest rise in income tax that is being suggested and still well in line with local competitors. The rest will be up in the manifesto and it will be interesting to see how both parties plan to pay for their plans.

When you say that one party should start telling the truth, what would that look like? What would you suggest is a workable way forward, that is likely to succeed at the poll booth, that will be more successful in raising more money?

I’m shocked to learn that you would increase taxes for everyone earning over £20k. The average earnings in this country are what? £27k or thereabouts? I wouldn’t want to start until above that level. That being said, £20K is far more realistic than believing that there are sufficient wealthy people around to be able to rinse to fund Labour’s spending plans.

Where you and I would really disagree is that I think that it is the duty of government to keep taxes as low as possible, both to allow people to keep more of what they earn and to encourage self reliance. Austerity has caused hardship, but it also cleared out a deal of expensive bureaucracy.

Yes. We’ll have to disagree on the media. You seem to blame them for anything that you don’t like – a ready made excuse for any inconvenient fact.

I think telling the truth is a fairly simple. It looks like a politician going on the TV or radio and saying ‘look – I know that you would like a better health service, more social care provision and – as of today – free fibre internet – but those things cost money and you are going to have to pay'. I appreciate that your political activism gives you and insight on this, however and that the ‘you can have all of these things and someone else is going to pay’ is far easier to sell on the doorstep.

[KerrAvon]

Aye, there will be a lot of relieved wealthy and privileged people if Boris gets back in. If Corbyn was to get in...meltdown...and the usual crap about a communist state and the country being skint. All that equates to is the fear that they will have SOME of THEIR wealth and privileges taken off them and, oh bless them, it will hurt . They will forget that under austerity measures and a REPRESSIVE( Whoa careful Rolymiller sounds a bit intolerant that!!) Tory govt MILLIONS have never had anything approaching wealth or privilege. Should the tory's get in again they can look forward to more of the same and worse if they get a large majority.

If you want a definition of a "good" capitalist have a gander at The Apprentice. These are the sort of people the poor in this country are up against ie self seeking, arrogant, ignorant, greedy bas tards who would sell their own grannys to get to the top. A good metaphor for the Tory party methinks...

The Apprentice chooses the candidates and then edits the footage of the tasks to give a certain impression. Describing it as a ‘metaphor for the Tories’, is about as fair and accurate as saying that Benefits Street would be ‘a metaphor for Labour’.

That was a particularly daft point.

[rolymiller]

I don't think we are too far apart Howdy. At least you recognise some good people get a raw deal.

Might argue who the scumbags and freeloaders are though...

Have a good un yourself including 3 points for the Millers of course.

[rolymiller]

The Apprentice chooses the candidates and then edits the footage of the tasks to give a certain impression. Describing it as a ‘metaphor for the Tories’, is about as fair and accurate as saying that Benefits Street would be ‘a metaphor for Labour’.

That was a particularly daft point.

What to give an image that aspiring entrepreneurs are all idiots? Can't see Alan Sugar himself backing that view can you or why take em on at the end?

Anyway what shape are you? Am I right? Do you agree with the premise of the article? Where are you in the layers do you reckon?

[KerrAvon]

Sign of the wealthy running scared to me Casper. Drop in the £ probably next. Businesses shifting abroad? It will come if their is a whiff of Labour coming. Then the likes of Kerr start saying we are always skint under Labour. Well, if you want the answer why, its there. The rich don't want to become less rich . It is so simple a kiddies economics class would understand it. Capitalism does not work for the many it only works for the few. The sooner it is replaced by some thing better nowt will change for the poor.

Nobody likes to be less well off or give their lifestyle up, Roly. You will recall that you told us that you could do something to reduce your carbon footprint, but choose not to, presumably because you don’t want to give up on aspects of your lifestyle that you enjoy.

You are right, businesses will leave Britain if there is a whiff of Labour coming. It will turn into a stampede if they get in. I suspect that a number of investment plans will have been put on hold today alone – why would a company chose to put capital (and create jobs) in the UK given the threat that a future government might seize it in a nationalisation?

As for Capitalism not working for the many - try telling that to family members of one of the many thousands of people who were killed trying to flee the Socialist dream created in Eastern Europe after World War 2 or one of the tens of thousands of people who are living in refugee camps having fled Venezuela.

Being a Labour supporter seems to involve seeing the UK as some sort of terrible place where people are exploited and yet many millions of people have come here since the Accession 8 countries joined the EU in 2004. Are yiu saying that they can see something that you can't?