O/T - general election 2019

[wendun]

Howdy, your viewpoint, like mine, is invalid. It is invalid because unlike certain posters on here we don't care. They care. They care very deeply. I know this because they constantly tell me how much they care. Tweedle 2 jags can hardly enjoy his two cars and multiple holidays because he cares so much. How all this caring translates into actually doing something is less clear but one solution that the gang on here all agree with is taking a great deal of other peoples' money and letting Momentum spend it. Unfortunately for them people are not stupid and the result will be Corbyn delenda est!

[rolymiller]

Howdy, your viewpoint, like mine, is invalid. It is invalid because unlike certain posters on here we don't care. They care. They care very deeply. I know this because they constantly tell me how much they care. Tweedle 2 jags can hardly enjoy his two cars and multiple holidays because he cares so much. How all this caring translates into actually doing something is less clear but one solution that the gang on here all agree with is taking a great deal of other peoples' money and letting Momentum spend it. Unfortunately for them people are not stupid and the result will be Corbyn delenda est!

You are a card Monty. 2 jags? Have you seen my "second car" its older and more clapped out than me-it aint even mine strictly speaking. Multiple holidays?

My neighbour laughs where I go on holidays and takes piss about the size of my telly. My wife grumbles at my tatty clothes.

i don't mind paying more tax if it goes in the right areas as well by the way but would still argue the richer you are the more tax you should pay.


Yeah you know a lot about me. Stop making things up about me I am not motivated by the same things in life as you and would not sleep at night if I did...
There are more important things in life than money and i won't be a slave to it and never have and never will. Enjoy the simple life is what i say. Ya don't need money to be happy BUT you DO need enough to have some sort of standard of life that is all my argument has ever been.

I suppose you will say i am a goody two shoes (but more insulting than that )but I am far from it. I can only do in my life what feels right and defend those who deserve better than they get. I would hope that most people think like that as civilised human beings and I think the majority do so I aint owt special.

If all that makes me a seething pot of piss or whatever you called me than that is what I am...

[flourbasher]

The area it covers is in the title.

Indeed but sometimes it is regionalised for example BBC Scotland.
Presumably Question Time goes out on every BBC regional area

[howdydoo]

'still argue the richer you are the more tax you should pay.'

Assuming you are legitimately paying all your tax .........

Isn't that already the case or have I missed something?

[rolymiller]

Never had any control over my tax howdy, never have, stopped through my salary as PAYE if you are suggesting I might be fiddling my taxes. Our lass self assesses sometimes but I am convinced she pays too much tax but we really cant be arsed to argue the toss about it although arguably we should...

I don't begrudge someone who works hard or makes sacrifices a bit more money but I do think there are limits to material wealth anyone should have when people in the world suffer through no fault of their own.

I know broadly from what you put on here you seem to have some sympathy with this view eg having a social conscience and that is fair enough. My criticism is not particularly aimed at the likes of you.Throughout the ages there have been good examples of caring capitalists and philanthropists unfortunately there have not been as many as there should have been in my opinion.

[howdydoo]

Aimed at the corporate tax dodgers and the offshore merchants Roly.

Even if income tax was a flat rate of 30%, you do realise the higher earner will be paying more tax than the other than the low earner.

[howdydoo]

Your lass self assesses???

... and she’s still with you?

It’s the two cars and the jet setting lifestyle.

Must be. Any more tax hikes and she’s on her bike 😂😂😂

[KerrAvon]

Well at least we know where Labour stand now. They plan to increase day to day (i.e. non-investment) spending by about £80bn by 20223/24 and reckon that they can cover that by tax rises.

Far from the modest corporate tax rises that ‘leave us competitive’, the Institute for Fiscal Studies say that to fund Labour’s day to day spending increases will increase overall corporate tax rates to the point where they are the highest in the G7. I wonder what effect that and the threat of nationalisation will have on inwards investment (i.e. jobs) into this country?

The IFS has also pointed out that taxing business does not mean hitting the ‘fats cats’ and ‘elite’ in the manner that Labour class warriors are trying to sell. The money they pay over has to come from somewhere, with the likely ‘somewhere’ being their customers and employees and in the form of reduced dividends being paid to savers and pension funds.

I listened to Shami Chakrabarti last night on Radio 4 and caught a bit of John McDonnell on breakfast TV this morning. Both had the IFS’s views put to them and both simply went into denial mode. I think that they genuinely believe that denials are enough – say it often enough and it will become the truth – that they can defy economic gravity if they don’t look down (although, in fairness, Chakrabarti sounded like she hadn’t got a clue and was simply reciting from a crib sheet).

So who am I to believe? A group of politician’s who used to praise the Socialist revolution in Venezuela or the independent economists of the IFS? Tough one.

On personal taxation, you have the views of people like John Caudwell – a self-made man who set up a business in a caravan in his mum’s garden and who is said to be the UK’s highest tax payer. It looks like him and his tax payments are going to be offsksi if Corbyn gets in:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...d-higher-taxes

[rolymiller]

Lets put it this way it probably costs her more to get to work than what she gets paid for doing it.

[ragingpup]

Well at least we know where Labour stand now. They plan to increase day to day (i.e. non-investment) spending by about £80bn by 20223/24 and reckon that they can cover that by tax rises.

Far from the modest corporate tax rises that ‘leave us competitive’, the Institute for Fiscal Studies say that to fund Labour’s day to day spending increases will increase overall corporate tax rates to the point where they are the highest in the G7. I wonder what effect that and the threat of nationalisation will have on inwards investment (i.e. jobs) into this country?

The IFS has also pointed out that taxing business does not mean hitting the ‘fats cats’ and ‘elite’ in the manner that Labour class warriors are trying to sell. The money they pay over has to come from somewhere, with the likely ‘somewhere’ being their customers and employees and in the form of reduced dividends being paid to savers and pension funds.

I listened to Shami Chakrabarti last night on Radio 4 and caught a bit of John McDonnell on breakfast TV this morning. Both had the IFS’s views put to them and both simply went into denial mode. I think that they genuinely believe that denials are enough – say it often enough and it will become the truth – that they can defy economic gravity if they don’t look down (although, in fairness, Chakrabarti sounded like she hadn’t got a clue and was simply reciting from a crib sheet).

So who am I to believe? A group of politician’s who used to praise the Socialist revolution in Venezuela or the independent economists of the IFS? Tough one.

On personal taxation, you have the views of people like John Caudwell – a self-made man who set up a business in a caravan in his mum’s garden and who is said to be the UK’s highest tax payer. It looks like him and his tax payments are going to be offsksi if Corbyn gets in:

https://www.theguardian.com/business...d-higher-taxes

You don't like the Labour Manifesto Kerr?!

****. Didn't see that coming :-)