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    O/T - general election 2019

    Well another election and another wave of BS from politians. Not sure what the point in going out to vote labours held the area Iím in for over 100 years. Wtf is the point

    Are you going to bother?
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    Going to be a weird one this. You’re going to get life long Labour brexiteers who will vote Tory to get Brexit done and vice versa life long Tory remainers will vote Labour to try and stop Brexit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loyalmiller View Post
    Going to be a weird one this. You’re going to get life long Labour brexiteers who will vote Tory to get Brexit done and vice versa life long Tory remainers will vote Labour to try and stop Brexit.
    Honestly I think labour will still get in my area the mp could be a pig with a criminal record of raping piglets so long as heís under Labour it will still win, labour has held Wath seat for over 100 years. I get the whole Maggie thatcher argument but our mp was labour then too and as far as I can see labour Toryís Lib dumbs are all self serving ass wipes.

    I just find It sad that people donít vote for a change And itís same in hard core Tory areas I know. Itís still depressing

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    I'll be amazed if the Tories can't win by a healthy majority against the communist Corbynistas whose proposed policies are truly frightening. Many Labour voters are fearful of Venezuela Mark 2 and will probably abstain rather than vote Tory. It will be interesting how Nigel Farage tackles this but i expect a low turnout.

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    If this is all about "getting brexit done", I can't really get my head around the fact that Johnson got approval for his deal and although it might have gone a couple of weeks past his precious 31st, why didn't he just allow scrutiny and then a vote to get that deal approved?

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    And if someone wins by the minimum majority.
    Will the rest get up in alms and say.
    We need another vote. People didn't know what they were voting for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    If this is all about "getting brexit done", I can't really get my head around the fact that Johnson got approval for his deal and although it might have gone a couple of weeks past his precious 31st, why didn't he just allow scrutiny and then a vote to get that deal approved?
    Letís face it corbyn said heís going to vote against it before he even saw it and Johnson saw he would never get it passed the remoaners so he held onto it. As much as Iím puking up defending a Tory I had to say it sorry pup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silly-miller View Post
    Letís face it corbyn said heís going to vote against it before he even saw it and Johnson saw he would never get it passed the remoaners so he held onto it. As much as Iím puking up defending a Tory I had to say it sorry pup.
    That may be so but the bill passed to 2nd reading despite the Labour stance. It won a majority so as Ken Clark asked today, why did the pm not allow time for scrutiny and work all hours to push this through as for the first time parliament had a majority for a deal. Why isn't this being passed now, as we speak Silly to "get brexit done" instead of further delay?

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    Be a laugh if Boris, standing in what is supposed to be a pro-Remain constituency , gets booted out
    He's a stinking rich old-Etonian though so it probably wouldn't trouble him much, especially with his connections to another career in journalism, etc. That's the way the media works. It's a pity that Brian Rix is not still alive to see this classic Whitehall farce
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbertop View Post
    I'll be amazed if the Tories can't win by a healthy majority against the communist Corbynistas whose proposed policies are truly frightening. Many Labour voters are fearful of Venezuela Mark 2 and will probably abstain rather than vote Tory.
    That's a strange political analysis... Would I be right in thinking that the codename "Timbertop" means that you are a copper/ex-copper?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    That may be so but the bill passed to 2nd reading despite the Labour stance. It won a majority so as Ken Clark asked today, why did the pm not allow time for scrutiny and work all hours to push this through as for the first time parliament had a majority for a deal. Why isn't this being passed now, as we speak Silly to "get brexit done" instead of further delay?
    I see what your saying pup but the only reason labour asked for a second reading which only a few labour seats voted for was to make them seem like they were being reasonable and pretending to be interested in it. If it had been voted down then he couldnít bring it back after an election since it had been shot down, so he rolled the dice on a new parliament to try and gain more support.

    Iv been saying this since the referendum the best thing labour could do is to let the Toryís get on with brexit and once itís over campaign on other issues in a election, instead they did the opposite and delayed it and delayed it keeping them in power for another 5 years and they will win, it will just come down to how many they win by and will they get majority.

    And what annoys me more is people will vote labour and our area will be ignored for another 5 fking years.

    Sorry if I offend you any labour for life people reading this but with snp Lib dumbs and a fractured Labour Party the way I see it your just voting to be ignored and having a mp on a huge vacation with a big cash boost
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    Quote Originally Posted by Timbertop View Post
    I'll be amazed if the Tories can't win by a healthy majority against the communist Corbynistas whose proposed policies are truly frightening. Many Labour voters are fearful of Venezuela Mark 2 and will probably abstain rather than vote Tory. It will be interesting how Nigel Farage tackles this but i expect a low turnout.
    Manifestos havenít been decided yet from all partyís, have a read through them when they do bring them out.
    Which proposed frightening policies will turn the UK into Venezuela Mark 2. ?
    Hyperinflation, shortage of food and medicines.?
    If by some miracle a Labour government is elected they can always be voted out in 5yrs time.
    Fartage has one aim, to come out of the EU with No Deal. It wonít take the Brexit Party longer than three minutes to write a manifesto up, thatís if they bother at all.
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    67.9% of Rotherham's turnout in the EU referendum voted to leave. I'm not that big on politics, so I don't understand why so many people in our town keep voting for a Labour party A) with its terrible track record in this town on so many issues and when they are constantly trying to block Brexit, which the majority of people in Rotherham voted for. It makes no sense to me.
    Nothing that Labour do in their next election campaign will convince me to vote for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    If this is all about "getting brexit done", I can't really get my head around the fact that Johnson got approval for his deal and although it might have gone a couple of weeks past his precious 31st, why didn't he just allow scrutiny and then a vote to get that deal approved?
    He was concerned about the amendments that Parliament would seek to make to the bill - attaching a confirmatory referendum and the like - and that some MPs would withdraw their support at the third reading if itheir favoured amendment(s) did not succeed.

    I don't know who I am going to vote for and suspect that I won't be alone in that. The worry has to be that we will be left with another minority government and further inertia.

    At least the poll is on a Thursday though. Having Friday off after my election night 'do' makes more sense.

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    Massive respect to the lib dems for being the only party with a clear message on Brexit, while all the other parties are hedging their bets and trying to schmooze a vote out of everyone by being vague.

    Voted Labour all my life but the Lib dems are much more Socialist now than the elite middle class bigots of the Labour party.

    I voted leave but I will vote Lib Dems for the first time simply because they have got the
    b alls to put their cards on the table.

    Hopefully the Labour party will be destroyed once and for all and a new party for working people, run by working people will emerge from the ashes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KerrAvon View Post
    He was concerned about the amendments that Parliament would seek to make to the bill - attaching a confirmatory referendum and the like - and that some MPs would withdraw their support at the third reading if itheir favoured amendment(s) did not succeed.

    I don't know who I am going to vote for and suspect that I won't be alone in that. The worry has to be that we will be left with another minority government and further inertia.

    At least the poll is on a Thursday though. Having Friday off after my election night 'do' makes more sense.
    I get that, but if the bill got through a 2nd reading with whatever amendments it took to get a majority (which in a minority government is all important) then we could have "got Brexit done".

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_idiotb_stardson View Post
    Massive respect to the lib dems for being the only party with a clear message on Brexit, while all the other parties are hedging their bets and trying to schmooze a vote out of everyone by being vague.

    Voted Labour all my life but the Lib dems are much more Socialist now than the elite middle class bigots of the Labour party.

    I voted leave but I will vote Lib Dems for the first time simply because they have got the
    b alls to put their cards on the table.

    Hopefully the Labour party will be destroyed once and for all and a new party for working people, run by working people will emerge from the ashes.
    But the Lib Dems keep spouting democracy when they are adamant on acting against what the majority voted for, this to me is a "we know better than you' attitude.

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    I never thought that l would ever be so far detached from the Labour party than I am.

    Really, when you look back at the Labour parties leadership election and the way Tories joined the labour party to have the right to vote they sure as hell did a fantastic job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    I get that, but if the bill got through a 2nd reading with whatever amendments it took to get a majority (which in a minority government is all important) then we could have "got Brexit done".
    The second reading merely approves the principle of a bill. Amendments are not possible until the committee stage and then in the House of Lords, so, no, the Withdrawal Bill did not get through the 2nd reading with amendments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikemiller View Post
    Be a laugh if Boris, standing in what is supposed to be a pro-Remain constituency , gets booted out
    He's a stinking rich old-Etonian though so it probably wouldn't trouble him much, especially with his connections to another career in journalism, etc. That's the way the media works. It's a pity that Brian Rix is not still alive to see this classic Whitehall farce
    Jo Swindon is the party leader who is at risk of losing her seat. She is up against the SNP.

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