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  1. #251
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    Quote Originally Posted by ragingpup View Post
    Thanks for info frog. Appreciated
    There's one very important thing that I forgot to mention.

    Anyone entitled to state health care must apply for a Carte *****e. Without this card the amount of paper work is incredibly and you will receive a bill for the treatment.

    The card has a chip in-built which stores your data from hospital visits, medication you have been on and which insurance company you're with.

    You receive a statement of costs covered and by whom.

    You need to present this card from anywhere from the dentist to eye tests. The emergency ambulance will also ask for it before you set off.

    You can present it later of course without issue but they'll make sure you're not discharged before doing so.

    It's maybe why the system isn't straining as in the UK but last year it was with the flu crisis m

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    Quote Originally Posted by wendun View Post
    Casper, yes I see your NI point now. Difficult election for me. Never voted Tory and never will; class enemy and I don't give two hoots what anyone else says on that score. Can't vote for Corbyn for a whole host of reasons, not least open door on immigration. Don't like Swinson but I am completely against Brexit so LibDems or Greens may get my vote. Hadn't noticed the pensions thing from Bojo as I stopped listening to politicians about 50 years ago.
    I like you Wendun, rightly or wrongly you say it as it is, straight John bull, at least I know where I stand with you.
    You don't try to bully people into agreeing with your opinions.
    I'm in a similar situation as regards voting, it's either Labour, LibDem ( not fussed about this lot ) or waste my vote and abstain.

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    As usual Kerr makes some perceptive points on Labour's likely approach to immigration. If he's not a solicitor he should be. I don't agree with immigration. I have several objections but will give two here. First it promotes a lazy attitude within UK businesses and organisations so they can dodge the more difficult options of better education and training here. Is it really sensible that my mates software business has recruited two guys from India? Wtf is happening with our own education system? Second it denudes donor countries of many of their best people and I can't see how, for example, supposed socialists applaud the NHS recruiting doctors from places like Nigeria.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    The article I copief is a report of conference written up on the Labour party website. Why not read it.

    This relates to continuing free movement to the UK from EU countries after we leave the EU. You can say it relates to the rest of the world all you like but you are wrong.
    "But the motion, put forward by campaign group Labour for Free Movement, commits the party to a stronger stance, which includes "campaigning for free movement, equality and rights for migrants" and says it will "maintain and extend" movement rights."

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ty-backs-plans

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    Quote Originally Posted by wendun View Post
    As usual Kerr makes some perceptive points on Labour's likely approach to immigration. If he's not a solicitor he should be. I don't agree with immigration. I have several objections but will give two here. First it promotes a lazy attitude within UK businesses and organisations so they can dodge the more difficult options of better education and training here. Is it really sensible that my mates software business has recruited two guys from India? Wtf is happening with our own education system? Second it denudes donor countries of many of their best people and I can't see how, for example, supposed socialists applaud the NHS recruiting doctors from places like Nigeria.
    It's not laziness, it's cheapness, costs more money to train people than import them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CASPER-64-FRANK View Post
    I like you Wendun, rightly or wrongly you say it as it is, straight John bull, at least I know where I stand with you.
    You don't try to bully people into agreeing with your opinions.
    I'm in a similar situation as regards voting, it's either Labour, LibDem ( not fussed about this lot ) or waste my vote and abstain.
    Casper, that's a very kind comment to make. I would hate to think I had ever influenced anyone with my opinions; the responsibility would be daunting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    It's not laziness, it's cheapness, costs more money to train people than import them.
    Yes, g_f, I was using "lazy" in a general sense. I still don't see why the mass movement of people is so widely considered a "good thing" or a sensible solution to skills shortages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by great_fire View Post
    "But the motion, put forward by campaign group Labour for Free Movement, commits the party to a stronger stance, which includes "campaigning for free movement, equality and rights for migrants" and says it will "maintain and extend" movement rights."

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...ty-backs-plans
    In answer, please read my reply to Kerr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WanChaiMiller View Post
    In answer, please read my reply to Kerr.
    It says "extend" like I said.

    What do you think "extend" and "expand" mean?

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    An example of "substitution" in the workforce can be seen in post-war Britain. At the same time as the British Nationality Act 1948 encouraged Commonwealth immigration into the UK to help with labour shortages governments were encouraging women to return to domesticity with the result that millions left the workplace and by 1951 women in employment were back to pre-war levels. The heroic intervention of Windrush to save the UK is a nonsense.

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