Set Pieces

[asturianblanco]

cant underestimate our lack of ideas when Pablo is out.

[Billyni]

Our set pieces are the equivalent of a goal kick to the opposition.
The opposition's set pieces are the equivalent of a penalty against us.

[norfolk white]

A corner is a free cross into the box, and a goalscoring opportunity every time, surely these are worked on in training, if not, why not.

[MrsORichSenior]

Tactical set ups .............


Had the pleasure of sitting in with an ex Leeds Utd pro old friend who explained to Irish media the current trend in the PL on how teams are set up whilst defending corners.He noted to me later how Bielsa's Leeds aren't only setting up to defend but to counter attack as well quickly from deep defensive positions.
(Liverpool,City and Chelsea on average launch a drilled counter attack from box to box inside 15 seconds) ..........which Mick McCarthy now uses to effect I was told.

This ploy had been used by Leeds effectively last season switching from a defensive to attacking point of view and again this season until injuries to our regular drilled full backs and also the enforced 'missing ball skills' of pass switching of Hernandez.

To be objective and fair it was further pointed out to me that presently we have a budget Championship team (squad) with a mix of honest hard working pro's working in tandem with youthful 'developing' players - unlike the PL sides above who've spent massive on world class 'pre-developed' players with further spending on exceptional developing young players from around the globe.............
It appears upon hearing this ex player views (now a international coach) on current matters at Leeds that some folks are far to quick in losing sight of the fact that we are still developing players that as of yet have still not found their ideal position let alone fulfilled potential that all evidently have in abundance.

What most impressed my 'learned friend' was all Leeds players "appreciation of space and technically ability" within it over 90 minutes of disciplined effort.
As ever he was also most impressed with the patience that Leeds supporters were showing with regard to Bielsa's approach.

Off thread on that magnificent Leeds support I was pleased to see the BBC documentary aired of how football in Berlin has come of age and how "genuine support" is so important to communities.The FSA (Football Supporters Europe) strives hard to promote such ethics and I hope a few Leeds fans on here around the globe will enjoy the ten minute short documentary (below link) that came about via the FSA team of translators.The effect of Bielsa and his inclusion of youth has had a positive effect on the local league coaches and school kids of Leeds who believe that nowadays they to can play for their local team one day.

Berlin Link ......... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSzuLyqLIfI
MOT

[Billyni]

So we're going to get promoted then?

[Jezleeds]

Tactical set ups .............


Had the pleasure of sitting in with an ex Leeds Utd pro old friend who explained to Irish media the current trend in the PL on how teams are set up whilst defending corners.He noted to me later how Bielsa's Leeds aren't only setting up to defend but to counter attack as well quickly from deep defensive positions.
(Liverpool,City and Chelsea on average launch a drilled counter attack from box to box inside 15 seconds) ..........which Mick McCarthy now uses to effect I was told.

This ploy had been used by Leeds effectively last season switching from a defensive to attacking point of view and again this season until injuries to our regular drilled full backs and also the enforced 'missing ball skills' of pass switching of Hernandez.

To be objective and fair it was further pointed out to me that presently we have a budget Championship team (squad) with a mix of honest hard working pro's working in tandem with youthful 'developing' players - unlike the PL sides above who've spent massive on world class 'pre-developed' players with further spending on exceptional developing young players from around the globe.............
It appears upon hearing this ex player views (now a international coach) on current matters at Leeds that some folks are far to quick in losing sight of the fact that we are still developing players that as of yet have still not found their ideal position let alone fulfilled potential that all evidently have in abundance.

What most impressed my 'learned friend' was all Leeds players "appreciation of space and technically ability" within it over 90 minutes of disciplined effort.
As ever he was also most impressed with the patience that Leeds supporters were showing with regard to Bielsa's approach.

Off thread on that magnificent Leeds support I was pleased to see the BBC documentary aired of how football in Berlin has come of age and how "genuine support" is so important to communities.The FSA (Football Supporters Europe) strives hard to promote such ethics and I hope a few Leeds fans on here around the globe will enjoy the ten minute short documentary (below link) that came about via the FSA team of translators.The effect of Bielsa and his inclusion of youth has had a positive effect on the local league coaches and school kids of Leeds who believe that nowadays they to can play for their local team one day.

Berlin Link ......... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OSzuLyqLIfI
MOT

Did he say anything about the attacking set pieces?

The defence into attack strategy has been clear for some time in various teams, England included. The OP was about our lack of strategy when we have attacking set pieces - i remember at the start of MB's reign always being very excited about corners - we seemed to be scoring or nearly scoring on every one, including the one on the first day against Stoke by Cooper. Now as the original poster said we never look like scoring from free-kicks or corners - what's changed?

I also remember we had a set piece coach right at the start didnt we? And we were doing all sorts of interesting things with where the players were standing in the box whilst waiting for the corner, and various innovative tricks with the passes into the box. What's happened to him/that?

Genuine question as to what the ex-player may have said about the attacking set pieces?

I do think we miss Pablo in so many ways, and he's pretty key to free-kicks, but the corners are still being taken by Kalvin, it's just nobody is on the end of them and the variety and innovation seems to have disappeared.

[OldWhiteTaff]

A corner is a free cross into the box, and a goalscoring opportunity every time, surely these are worked on in training, if not, why not.

This is something that is really sticking out this season, and not just corners. Our game is massively focused on getting the ball wide and getting space to deliver balls into the box. But it doesn't seem to matter whether it's open play crosses, corners or free kicks, our delivery is very poor, either that or the positional play of our players in the box is poor (although maybe the one exacerbates the other - is it poor balls in or poor positioning?). Anyhow either way, the ratio of genuine goalscoring chances compared to crosses must be painfully small.

[MrsORichSenior]

Did he say anything about the attacking set pieces?

The defence into attack strategy has been clear for some time in various teams, England included. The OP was about our lack of strategy when we have attacking set pieces - i remember at the start of MB's reign always being very excited about corners - we seemed to be scoring or nearly scoring on every one, including the one on the first day against Stoke by Cooper. Now as the original poster said we never look like scoring from free-kicks or corners - what's changed?

I also remember we had a set piece coach right at the start didnt we? And we were doing all sorts of interesting things with where the players were standing in the box whilst waiting for the corner, and various innovative tricks with the passes into the box. What's happened to him/that?

Genuine question as to what the ex-player may have said about the attacking set pieces?

I do think we miss Pablo in so many ways, and he's pretty key to free-kicks, but the corners are still being taken by Kalvin, it's just nobody is on the end of them and the variety and innovation seems to have disappeared.

Jez
.............of course he mentions stuff about Leeds but I ain't the Leeds Mad Forum version of Poirot.
As a fan too he was happy to state why Bamford is still of interest to Big Mick whilst addressing members from the Irish Centre Leeds (off York Road)whilst handing over some freebie kits for the kids teams that I arranged a while back before a game.
For me as my friend will agree regarding football tactics - 'everything is complicated by the presence of the opposite team' and that analogy is good enough for me as I travel,attend,enjoy live action and then go home.I never watch the pundit analysts and constant 'what if replays' they drool over after the event.End of.
Regarding any tactical views retrospectively expressed of late to me and others I'll share this because I think it's a fair assessment from a modest gentleman in the company of old friends.In response to the Leeds setup presently (bearing in mind injury,experience and ability) Bielsa is asking players to run beyond Bamford (the false nine scenario).That now requires Bamford to be a sole target (playmaker) positioned now more isolated upfront within the present setup which now asks players to run beyond our now false nine. This evidently enables us to keep possession extremely well still whilst hopefully releasing players into space which as we all know is not resulting in chances being taken from our midfield box runners beyond Bamford and that area has now been recently adjusted by changing the zonal areas to exploit for such runners which evidently recently has now seen goals.
The answer is obviously 'chances must be taken' if supplied via Bamford or put Bamford into the box and supply him which results in altering the supply route of the ball into zonal areas to maximise on - only Pablo gives that alternative supply option within the flowing attacking system we play but when he's not playing ........ ?
Leeds require another Pablo/Saiz rather than another striker apparently to be bought in and are active in that quest.The need for two up top which again would require system changes will not suit present available players I,understand.
Mick McCarthy likes the options that Bamford brings but there are issues over his recovery and associated matters before any International decisions are pursued I understand.
Aidan Butterworth (Ex Leeds '80/84),still living close to the city working as a Sportswear Rep, told me at a Leeds city of Diversity event at Leeds University Parkinson Building recently that Bamford needed more physicality to his game.Brian Dean (Ex Leeds '93/97),still lives in Leeds and now coaches at the club alongside his Serbia/Kosovo business interests in Europe is on record stating that Bamford needs to up his game now too as he's getting fitter.
So I gave objective views,IMO,only for interest and balance - not to be chastised,grilled or divert a threads initial theme.Opinion was given by a friend foremost who happens to be a fan albeit with football experience gained at all levels that he was happy to pass on,likewise with other 'fans' who have occupied the famed number nine of Leeds United.
I don't start many new Posts nowadays for 'reason of conflict' situations that may develop as above aptly demonstrates but I've tried to answer you in good faith.
MOT

[WTF11]

Jez
.............of course he mentions stuff about Leeds but I ain't the Leeds Mad Forum version of Poirot.
As a fan too he was happy to state why Bamford is still of interest to Big Mick whilst addressing members from the Irish Centre Leeds (off York Road)whilst handing over some freebie kits for the kids teams that I arranged a while back before a game.
For me as my friend will agree regarding football tactics - 'everything is complicated by the presence of the opposite team' and that analogy is good enough for me as I travel,attend,enjoy live action and then go home.I never watch the pundit analysts and constant 'what if replays' they drool over after the event.End of.
Regarding any tactical views retrospectively expressed of late to me and others I'll share this because I think it's a fair assessment from a modest gentleman in the company of old friends.In response to the Leeds setup presently (bearing in mind injury,experience and ability) Bielsa is asking players to run beyond Bamford (the false nine scenario).That now requires Bamford to be a sole target (playmaker) positioned now more isolated upfront within the present setup which now asks players to run beyond our now false nine. This evidently enables us to keep possession extremely well still whilst hopefully releasing players into space which as we all know is not resulting in chances being taken from our midfield box runners beyond Bamford and that area has now been recently adjusted by changing the zonal areas to exploit for such runners which evidently recently has now seen goals.
The answer is obviously 'chances must be taken' if supplied via Bamford or put Bamford into the box and supply him which results in altering the supply route of the ball into zonal areas to maximise on - only Pablo gives that alternative supply option within the flowing attacking system we play but when he's not playing ........ ?
Leeds require another Pablo/Saiz rather than another striker apparently to be bought in and are active in that quest.The need for two up top which again would require system changes will not suit present available players I,understand.
Mick McCarthy likes the options that Bamford brings but there are issues over his recovery and associated matters before any International decisions are pursued I understand.
Aidan Butterworth (Ex Leeds '80/84),still living close to the city working as a Sportswear Rep, told me at a Leeds city of Diversity event at Leeds University Parkinson Building recently that Bamford needed more physicality to his game.Brian Dean (Ex Leeds '93/97),still lives in Leeds and now coaches at the club alongside his Serbia/Kosovo business interests in Europe is on record stating that Bamford needs to up his game now too as he's getting fitter.
So I gave objective views,IMO,only for interest and balance - not to be chastised,grilled or divert a threads initial theme.Opinion was given by a friend foremost who happens to be a fan albeit with football experience gained at all levels that he was happy to pass on,likewise with other 'fans' who have occupied the famed number nine of Leeds United.
I don't start many new Posts nowadays for 'reason of conflict' situations that may develop as above aptly demonstrates but I've tried to answer you in good faith.
MOT

"Answered", really? Lots of words, but answer came there none.

We're set pieces mentioned?

Was the issue of a set piece coach touched upon?

[MrsORichSenior]

Set piece = Pablo & Douglas missing.
Latest elite coach to Bielsa set up = Dean
WTF = I contribute nothing to Leeds United,I'm a glory hunter,I'll always put negativity before positivity,I watch Leeds matches if I can using illegal streams,I lose Leeds Mad lots of posters and now I respond as Jez.
Apart from that I note your question and suggest you read it again and put your hand in your pockets to help the club and support your team when digesting all facts.

MOT