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    Quote Originally Posted by seventwo View Post
    Hope you're right Champs.
    I'll go with a 1-0 loss
    Who knows eh? They are a decent side, especially at home. Just had a feeling after last week we may've turned the corner.

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    You can watch the match live for a fiver on LUTV

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    Quote Originally Posted by seventwo View Post
    You can watch the match live for a fiver on LUTV
    Overseas only..

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    Well done Aucks

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    Sax I'm in north Yorkshire but watched it, you just use a vpn

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    Not a bad performance, really. Leeds showed greater confidence, as you'd expect from the top team, but there wasn't a huge gulf in class or ability.
    We don't very often seem to be getting the surprise factor from Dack that we got used to for several seasons.
    Perhaps we should have gone for broke, and put Rothwell on instead of Evans. Who knows?
    Bottom line, though, I have to agree with Mowbray. That was a very soft penalty. Seriously, you see more contact than that at every corner-kick! Referees surely need to ask themselves this question sometimes: "Would the player have gone down with that level of contact OUTSIDE the area?" On top of that, the Leeds guy had already lost control of the ball, anyway. He just stood there and let Tosin bump his knee.
    Once they were in front, I never really thought we could get it back. To be fair, though, their second goal was just about the only time we were caught out all afternoon by a long pass down the middle. Typical they should score from it!
    Some of our forwards would do well to study the way Williams attacked the ball for our goal.

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    Never a penalty.
    A great performance IF you consider not one of our players would get in their team.
    Time to stop depending on Dack. If he doesn't score he's pointless.
    Jordan Rhodes anyone?

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    Just don't know, Seventwo.
    If JR scored in the first game, he might go on to get a dozen. If not, you end up with the possibility of another Kevin Davies.
    Leeds never gave Gallagher a sniff...and they let Armstrong hang about in non-threatening positions (which he's good at!). Dack tried to beat every man who challenged him (and usually failed).
    There are nine games between now and the end of the year. I would say TM needs a minimum of 15 points from those matches to save his job. If we lose to Barnsley, it would probably hasten the end.
    I'm not one of those, though, who believe that a change would automatically do the trick. History shows that it's 50/50 at best.

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    I do think we need to beat Barnsley. As every week the sides at the bottom are making ground. All the sides (,now including Stoke who now have a decent manager) are making ground on us pretty much every week.
    Stoke, Huddersfield, Reading, Millwall have all benefited hugely from making a managerial change. I still think Boro will get rid of Woodgate soon, so most of the decent managers will be taken.
    They could be another making ground on us very soon.
    We did yesterday what was expected, we went and lost. For us, this league where anyone can beat anyone doesn't really apply.
    We set up in a way we where going to lose this 10 times out of 10. Very nieve.

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    And the pen was soft. I agree. We give a soft pen away nearly every week. If not that, we give a soft goal away. It evens up, we got incredibly lucky last week and managed to win a game for the first time in months. But that was just one fluke in isolation.

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    Can't agree with that at all, Champs. I thought the midfield and defence generally looked ok.
    At the moment, though, we are seeing very little in terms of play-as-a-unit cohesion from our attack.
    To be fair, the Leeds defence is excellent, but we made life too comfortable for them.
    As for the new manager thing, I think you have to be aware of the difference between a long-term effect and a short-term "bounce".
    Lambert springs horribly to mind!
    Also, how can you say we got lucky against Wednesday? We matched them for large parts of the match. And it's been the same in a number of games. It's that 90-minute consistency which is lacking.
    Finally, on the pattern of soft penalties, are you saying it's the players' or the manager's fault if a referee makes a poor decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Can't agree with that at all, Champs. I thought the midfield and defence generally looked ok.
    At the moment, though, we are seeing very little in terms of play-as-a-unit cohesion from our attack.
    To be fair, the Leeds defence is excellent, but we made life too comfortable for them.
    As for the new manager thing, I think you have to be aware of the difference between a long-term effect and a short-term "bounce".
    Lambert springs horribly to mind!
    Also, how can you say we got lucky against Wednesday? We matched them for large parts of the match. And it's been the same in a number of games. It's that 90-minute consistency which is lacking.
    Finally, on the pattern of soft penalties, are you saying it's the players' or the manager's fault if a referee makes a poor decision?
    The deflected goal we scored in the last minute. That was lucky. Quickly followed by them hitting the post, the ball coming back out and the striker hitting the ball back across goal. Their shot hit the post, and came out. Buckley's shot wasn't even going in. Then it took a big deflection. Surley you aren't suggesting young Buckley meant to mis hit it, and played it off the defender? And we let that shot got the post because we knew it wasn't going in? Of course it was down to luck. The performance was ok. Nothing more nothing less. We didn't deserve to win the game. A draw wouldve been fair. But we deserved the luck because the week before at PNE we got none. We played far better away at Preston and got nothing. But the win was down to luck. A deflected lucky goal. In the last minute. And they still had time to hit the post and we got lucky it didn't go in.
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    Exactly - most of what happens once the whistle has blown is determined by the dynamics of that particular game.
    The margins are often tiny. Of course, managerial decisions form one significant factor, but there are numerous others that are completely beyond the influence of a man standing at the side of the field.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Exactly - most of what happens once the whistle has blown is determined by the dynamics of that particular game.
    The margins are often tiny. Of course, managerial decisions form one significant factor, but there are numerous others that are completely beyond the influence of a man standing at the side of the field.
    I agree Auks, like with the vast majority you say. TM is very unlucky at the moment in alot of aspects. He cant control bad luck with penalties. He is not at fault for Lenihan being injured again. Or losing Cunningham. While I wasn't completely sold on him, we where picking up results with him in the side.

    It's also worth remembering that Alex Neill at Preston was in the bottom 4 this time last season. And their fans where calling for his head. And now look at where they are.

    The margins are tiny, and the vast majority of clubs and managers fail every season. Us and 10 otrher clubs fancied our chances this season. For the majority, its not quite working out that way. That's the same in every league.
    Personally, I thought we where a muich better side last season. We had the energy of Reed in midfield. That was the player we needed to sign in the summer, after wasting a load over the past 2 summers. He wasn't a gamble, as we knew his strengths. And 12 months ago we had a forward 2 who combined well. And was Grahams swansong season where he was playing way above his limits and we where playing Dack upfront. We had a good forward line. Now,no matter who he plays, Gallagher, a past it Graham, Brereton, Samuel, Armstrong ....its all irrelevant. The system is completely wrong. And no point bemoaning bad luck in those situations. All 5 could be fit, and it wouldn't make a difference. One up front is not working. It only worked for one player, Graham. Who made Dack look decent. Now both are toothless. One is simply past it. That's not bad luck, not seeing that. And the others being asked to do the exact same job as Graham, isn't working. Again, not bad luck, more not being flexible. Asking players to do things they arent capable of. Then naming and shaming the goalkeeper, and Johnson. That's not bad luck, that's poor management.
    There is bad luck, and poor management. Both are having an impact. I feel you will always get bad luck, when you are a poor side. And we are currently, a poor side. With no identifiable way of playing.
    And it has the look of a bit of a shambles. Some weeks we don't change the team. Some weeks players are taken out inexplicably? He always makes suns around the 60 min mark. But not at PNE. Not making them in that game when they had got on top and swung round a 2 goal lead, he made no subs? When every other week, he does make changes? Aagian, thats not luck.

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    Some of that I agree with but it's selective.
    For example, Graham hasn't even played that much.
    And I agree that we miss Reed, but for the first month of the season, Johnson look to be a good alternative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Some of that I agree with but it's selective.
    For example, Graham hasn't even played that much.
    And I agree that we miss Reed, but for the first month of the season, Johnson look to be a good alternative.
    Despite what my reservations are about Downing, when signed him and Johnson in the summer nobody complained. Including me.
    They appeared to be 2 good solid experienced lads. And it’s been disappointing they haven’t really worked out. Nobody is at fault for this, it happens. Every signing is a gamble, some work some don’t. It’s a pity this Davenport hasn’t managed to get fit in going on a season and a half. He looked ok. What I am intrigued about, is what exactly has a Johnson done wrong? To be dropped like a stone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Some of that I agree with but it's selective.
    For example, Graham hasn't even played that much.
    And I agree that we miss Reed, but for the first month of the season, Johnson look to be a good alternative.
    Compared to last season, do you think Graham has played well this season? Either coming off the bench or starting?

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    Well, for a start, Champs, I don't agree that Downing "hasn't worked out". We have got from him what it says on the tin. He was never going to be an out-and-out winger any more, but he shows good energy, he passes accurately, he tackles back and, above all, he doesn't give the ball away as much as some of our players. I think he would have looked better if we had more people who regularly tried to make dangerous runs when Downing is on the ball.
    His set-piece delivery has been the one major disappointment for me - an area where we have missed Mulgrew, whose departure many fans were clamouring for last season (a bit like Graham now!).
    Johnson definitely lost his form after four or five weeks. No idea why.
    Graham has had two decent games as a sub. The rest of the time he has been disappointing. The difference is, I am NOT concluding, "Well, that's it. He has gone over the top. He will never play well again."
    That may indeed be the case (as with Whittingham), but it may also be temporary. I'm not going to write him off just yet.
    I'm very wary of premature conclusions in football. I've seen egg on pundits' faces too often.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Well, for a start, Champs, I don't agree that Downing "hasn't worked out". We have got from him what it says on the tin. He was never going to be an out-and-out winger any more, but he shows good energy, he passes accurately, he tackles back and, above all, he doesn't give the ball away as much as some of our players. I think he would have looked better if we had more people who regularly tried to make dangerous runs when Downing is on the ball.
    His set-piece delivery has been the one major disappointment for me - an area where we have missed Mulgrew, whose departure many fans were clamouring for last season (a bit like Graham now!).
    Johnson definitely lost his form after four or five weeks. No idea why.
    Graham has had two decent games as a sub. The rest of the time he has been disappointing. The difference is, I am NOT concluding, "Well, that's it. He has gone over the top. He will never play well again."
    That may indeed be the case (as with Whittingham), but it may also be temporary. I'm not going to write him off just yet.
    I'm very wary of premature conclusions in football. I've seen egg on pundits' faces too often.
    Mulgrew is woeful. Past it, and needed to go. Very very simple. He played a few games for Wigan, now he has been dropped. Wigan....somehow, are worse than us.
    Graham is past it. Like Mulgrew.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Well, for a start, Champs, I don't agree that Downing "hasn't worked out". We have got from him what it says on the tin. He was never going to be an out-and-out winger any more, but he shows good energy, he passes accurately, he tackles back and, above all, he doesn't give the ball away as much as some of our players. I think he would have looked better if we had more people who regularly tried to make dangerous runs when Downing is on the ball.
    His set-piece delivery has been the one major disappointment for me - an area where we have missed Mulgrew, whose departure many fans were clamouring for last season (a bit like Graham now!).
    Johnson definitely lost his form after four or five weeks. No idea why.
    Graham has had two decent games as a sub. The rest of the time he has been disappointing. The difference is, I am NOT concluding, "Well, that's it. He has gone over the top. He will never play well again."
    That may indeed be the case (as with Whittingham), but it may also be temporary. I'm not going to write him off just yet.
    I'm very wary of premature conclusions in football. I've seen egg on pundits' faces too often.
    Graham has had two decent games as a sub.

    Which two out of interest? As I asked, compared to last last season, has his performances imo have dipped well beneath that. I said that vrs Charlton on the first game and got told that I was talking nonsense. It's Nov now. We are struggling, and as recent as last week, he came on around the hour mark. As he did the week before, etc etc.
    The striker role is probably the toughest in football I feel. How he used his body last season was tremendous, and how he held the ball up was a big factor in why we did well in so many games, and why Dack was effective.
    We are in Nov now, and it still hasnt been figured out why we arent nearly as good as last season? It was clear vrs Charlton on the first game where the problems would be.
    Going back to him to either start, or come on after 60 mins is a waste of time. And its also killing Dack, probably our best and most effective player. As he can no longer get in a game. And asking Brereton, Samuel, Armstrong and Gallagher to be Danny Graham simply wont work. Its actually embarrasing.

    But its ok, we have a guy in midfield who has the most completed sideways passes in the league. So we are all good.

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