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    West Ham were bloody woeful Alf, but that's their problem not ours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    The way McNeil went about his business today, we will almost certainly have at the very least 35 million to address the squad strengthening issue in January.

    OMG! He is worth the admission money on his own. His left foot really is a magic wand, he gets whip and pace on almost every delivery. What a find this kid is.
    We should be adding players to the only talented player we have, instead of making a fast buck way way too early

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altobelli View Post
    We should be adding players to the only talented player we have, instead of making a fast buck way way too early
    We have loads of previous for this type of business Alto. We could start a new thread going from ABC through to Z on the players we have developed and sold. Sad, but it's the Burnley way.

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    Just on the subject of our dysfunctional recruitment team, West Ham have spent 180 million in the last 17 months, far more than us, with a spectacular lack of success. So I have to hold my hand up, I was wrong, our recruitment team are actually the 2nd worst at their job in the Premier League.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Bedlington Terrier View Post
    We have loads of previous for this type of business Alto. We could start a new thread going from ABC through to Z on the players we have developed and sold. Sad, but it's the Burnley way.
    And until we get rid of the mentality of "The Burnley Way" and all the other things wrong with BFC then we'll always be an average Championship Club who are a pretend Premier League outfit living on luck rather than building for a proper future

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    I have never thought of the idea such as the 'Burnley way'. There is only the way SD is using his style of play,and that's what we see. Sometimes we play like some 4th division team ,and like last game we dominated the game against Wet Spam. I would like to see SD modernise his game more. Such as ......Goal kicks:
    Here Pope uses the long ball 80% (?) of the time,for the ball to land some where in the opposing teams penalty area. It's easy for a tall defender to head it back in the direction from where it came from ,than for a forward to do anything with it. Sometimes with luck we get the ball,but who would depend on a game plan using 'luck'? If we use this game plan we are not in control of the game 60 -70%, or more of the game.

    We can change it (in fact to mix it ,not always the same) if Pope pushes the ball out to a defender almost near the goal line.The defender has a choice to pass it forward OR give it back to Pope. ( At this moment an attacker must run forward to get the ball or block a pass).If the ball is given back to Pope then the goalkeeper can now open it up by passing to the opposite defender,again the attacker must run to get the ball. At this point we have created a SPACE in midfield ,and it should be easy to pass then to a midfielder.At this point ,we are in control of the game 100% and we are also on attack. ( All this from a Goal Kick!) This game plan should be practised on the training ground ,because we can not allow any mistakes we must be very professional with it. A mistake could mean Pope picking the ball out from our goal ?? There are other points but this changes our game!!!
    We have a football team, and I hope we have professional trainers and a good training ground!

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    We knocked it long to Wood on Saturday, I guess he must have won at least 70% of the headers and Barnes, Hendrick, Westwood, Cork and McNeil picked up tons of second balls. It works when it works Balan!

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    You said it yourself.....''West Ham were bloody woeful Alf, but that's their problem not ours!''

    and ......'' It works when it works Balan!''....and ''I love SD but his tactical awareness leaves a lot to be desired IMHO.
    (PS : I think if we continue 'long ball', you are going to have a whole lot of burnt sausages !)

    ''So its touch and go,that's what you expect ? or If we are lucky we could win??

    Did it work against Sheffield? Then Chelsea, is it heaven and earth difference here,were they really that good? Or we were poor?

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    Chris Wilder is no fool and Frank Lampard has got Chelsea buzzing. Two winnable games coming up next Balan - let's see what December brings?

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    "A mistake could mean Pope picking the ball out from our goal ??"

    This is precisely why Dyche instructs his players to get the ball up the park, if we do lose it he prefers it to be lost in the opposition half, where there is much less likelihood that it will end up with Pope fishing it out of the back of our net.

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    That's a pity for anyone that wants to progress. If I had a son that showed great potential in schoolboy football,then scouts came to watch him? Two came, one came from Burnley ,and another from Man City, (and here I am not thinking about earnings ,just for him to learn and progress). Although Burnley is my football club,and coupled with various sentiments ,I would encourage him to join Man City. Also if I was a player,I could not play SD's style of football. I played or my schoolboy team 50 years ago played Sean's style of football, in fact we called our Centre Half, 'Big Boot'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfinyalcabo View Post
    Like I was saying..lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Balanbam00 View Post
    That's a pity for anyone that wants to progress. If I had a son that showed great potential in schoolboy football,then scouts came to watch him? Two came, one came from Burnley ,and another from Man City, (and here I am not thinking about earnings ,just for him to learn and progress). Although Burnley is my football club,and coupled with various sentiments ,I would encourage him to join Man City. Also if I was a player,I could not play SD's style of football. I played or my schoolboy team 50 years ago
    played Sean's style of football, in fact we called our Centre Half, 'Big Boot'.
    Then I don’t think you would be giving good advice Balan. City let their FA Youth Cup winning skipper Ben Mee go and similarly got shot of Kieran Trippier. Dwight McNeil got dumped by United at 14 and Tom Heaton got tired of just sitting on their bench. They all came to Burnley to progress their careers and haven’t looked back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by outwoodclaret View Post
    Then I don’t think you would be giving good advice Balan. City let their FA Youth Cup winning skipper Ben Mee go and similarly got shot of Kieran Trippier. Dwight McNeil got dumped by United at 14 and Tom Heaton got tired of just sitting on their bench. They all came to Burnley to progress their careers and haven’t looked back.
    As Outwood points out Balan, playing under Dyche certainly hasn't hindered the progress of Dwight McNeil, and while I can't prove this I would think that one of England,s best prospects Phil Foden stagnates on the bench at City, he would have had going on for 100 PL starts under his belt by now had he been playing for Dyche at Burnley.

    Just on the subject of playing the ball long out of defence Balan, there was a piece on the SkySports website where Dyche explained his thinking on it, I think there might be a link to it somewhere on here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sinkov View Post
    Thanks sinkov, I was going to find this after tea, now I won't need to burn the bloody sausages again.

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    Outward :
    ''Then I don’t think you would be giving good advice Balan.''

    I do not follow the history of young lads at Man C .But certainly a young schoolboy can gain a tremendous experience there. How many could start as young kids 50-100 each year? From 14 to 20 years? They must learn a great deal.....as compared to being at Burnley? (sorry but ,its the idea we discuss,not really slagging our Turf Moor gang).- ''We love them!'' Then from so many schoolboys some will (in their opinion not make it.)
    When City buy ,and can afford ''the best top class footballers, after all, don't they have some sea/lake of oil under Dubai? What chance can young men have,but the experience gained is that not worth it? Can we measure it? So it's like me saying ''I want my son to have a good, the best education!'' I do not mind him playing for City,but for sure he has had the best footballing education around him. Sometimes after we have had a few bad games I think do we have a training ground ? (only against Chelski ,Lawton made a schoolboy blunder.Quickly he should have passed back to Pope. What my sports teacher would have said, don't dribble in your own defence,Tawsky,tried to dribble against Sheffield ! ( But then Lawton just stood, with a Sheffield forward near him,so he could have moved to help out Tarski,that would have given Tarks the choice of passing or a boot up field. Instead he thought of his solution and lost the ball. This is all basic schoolboy stuff!! Do we learn from it?

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    Ah BT : So in order to make things more drastic, its ....''now I won't need to burn the bloody sausages?Then you do it on purpose! Shame, shame !

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    Sinov : My friend emmmmm.

    I would say about Dwight McNeil,he can not loose the experience he has gained at the city. But even being young 19 (I think?). All he has to do now is play football and in the Prem. Being a forward or his position on the left wing,it fits in with S D's style of play i e, 'kick the ball up field get it in their half'. Soon the vultures will be hoovering around Turf Moor ,if not already watching him. Its a pity but he will be sold ! That's more cash to keep us afloat.
    Phil Foden,I think he must know himself where he stands (and he does). Just gone 19 ,married and they have a baby ,the couple are very happy. His earnings are about 1.5 million quid,he makes 4600 per day, 169 per hour - why change ,accept where you are. At 19 and making all that money, (This means the average man in the UK needs to work for at least 4 years to earn the same as FoFo earns in only 1 month). I do not think I would change anything too! If wife and baby are happy -he will not change ,maybe after some time 3-5 years?? Who knows? Still a City player and I do not care what he does.
    On S D's style I think it can improve 10 -20 %

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    I've no doubt Foden is in a good place with his life Balan, I'm not so sure about his career. He should be playing for England by now, but he's miles away and can't even get a start at City.

    I don't particularly enjoy the way we play under Dyche, but it gets us enough points each season to keep us in this league, and with the quality of players at his disposal I don't expect him to change it. Playing out from the back is fine if you have players like Pep and Klopp have, but we don't, and turning the ball over in your own half can be fatal at this level, as you yourself pointed out. Chelsea and Liverpool have already punished us in this fashion at Turf Moor this season, it makes perfect sense to me to ensure as far as possible when we lose it, we have numbers behind the ball to defend. I think Sean is right, playing out from the back with our skill levels is simply asking for trouble against the quality of opposition we face in most games, we simply aren't good enough.

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    That wily old Scot Joe Devlin of Accy Stanley fame used to tell us to "Cut our cloth accordingly" and cut out the fancy stuff. In other words play to your strengths not your weaknesses. I think SD has picked up Joe's play book.

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