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Thread: O/T:- Votes, scores and first past the post predictions 12.12.2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lullapie View Post
    Yes, I AM saying that any Green Party vote is wasted in a country without PR. Just like voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party - hang on, you never see the both parties in the same room at the same time, am I onto something?

    Did I say climate change wasn't happening? I must have missed that bit too. It's like saying just because you are Labourite, you love Corbyn. I didn't say it wasn't happening, but I don't know enough to know the exact cause - probably a bit yourself, but I'm not afraid to admit I don't know.
    So because you're not sure either way about climate change, you are satisfied to do nothing about it. I don't know much on the subject but even in my lifetime I have seen extreme weather become much more frequent. That's why I think we should adopt a safety first approach and take urgent action now, because the very existence of the planet could be at stake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    So because you're not sure either way about climate change, you are satisfied to do nothing about it. I don't know much on the subject but even in my lifetime I have seen extreme weather become much more frequent. That's why I think we should adopt a safety first approach and take urgent action now, because the very existence of the planet could be at stake.
    You seem to be saying that only the Greens care, and that only the Greens have the answers. I don't believe either to be true and certainly not the latter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_pie View Post
    You seem to be saying that only the Greens care, and that only the Greens have the answers. I don't believe either to be true and certainly not the latter.
    I don't know how you worked that out, but your calculations are way off. The Greens were only mentioned because Lullapie said a vote for them was a wasted one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    I don't know how you worked that out, but your calculations are way off. The Greens were only mentioned because Lullapie said a vote for them was a wasted one.
    Probably an impression I formed when read also in conjunction with your earlier:

    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    So what are you saying? That any Green party vote is wasted and we should allow the destruction of the planet to go unchallenged?

    If you insist that climate change isn't happening, or you have a better solution I'd love to hear it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old_pie View Post
    Probably an impression I formed when read also in conjunction with your earlier:
    That seems to back up my previous post perfectly.

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    Based on the announcement regarding the Brexit Party and not challenging marginal Tory seats to try and ensure Brexit get’s done YouGov have rerun their latest polls for Sky News but have recalculated by removing the Brexit Party option from a percentage of the people polled to try and assimilate how that affects the current voting intention of those polled.

    The result is a 14% lead for the Tories on 42% over Labour with 28% and the Lib Dem’s at 15%. Will be interesting to see how that translates once candidates have been declared and we are a couple of weeks into the party campaigns.

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    Slight amendment to the above post, the figures quoted were actually for a poll taken by YouGov yesterday and today and sampled 1619 people.

    Additionally the poll recorded that almost all people who would have voted for the Brexit Party but are no longer able to - and have made up their mind - will transfer their vote to the Conservatives.

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    YouGov also asked who would make the best prime minister between Boris, Corbyn and Swinson.
    40% chose Boris, 16% chose Corbyn and 14% said Swinson. 31% were not sure or refused to say.

    Interestingly 91% of Tory voters said that Boris would be their preference as PM, however just 59% of Labour voters thought Corbyn would be best in Downing Street.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    So because you're not sure either way about climate change, you are satisfied to do nothing about it. I don't know much on the subject but even in my lifetime I have seen extreme weather become much more frequent. That's why I think we should adopt a safety first approach and take urgent action now, because the very existence of the planet could be at stake.
    I know a little about climate change but not enough to prove to myself that it is all caused by human interference. I am not sure if you have heard of The Ice Age (the one that began over 2 million years ago where the Earth's temperature dropped, not the film with Diego the Sabre-Toothed Tiger and Sid the Sloth), but I'm pretty certain there were no humans around then. There are many different weather patterns that affect the planet and possibly some of these are responsible for what we are seeing today. However, I agree that Man's lack of care for his environment is causing major issues, but aligned to that, rapid population growth isn't helping either.

    Do the Environmentalists also agree with mass-sterilisation as I am certain that would improve the state of the planet? Too many people, not enough resources is the problem, not whether or not you put your shopping in a reusable plastic bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lullapie View Post
    I know a little about climate change but not enough to prove to myself that it is all caused by human interference. I am not sure if you have heard of The Ice Age (the one that began over 2 million years ago where the Earth's temperature dropped, not the film with Diego the Sabre-Toothed Tiger and Sid the Sloth), but I'm pretty certain there were no humans around then. There are many different weather patterns that affect the planet and possibly some of these are responsible for what we are seeing today. However, I agree that Man's lack of care for his environment is causing major issues, but aligned to that, rapid population growth isn't helping either.

    Do the Environmentalists also agree with mass-sterilisation as I am certain that would improve the state of the planet? Too many people, not enough resources is the problem, not whether or not you put your shopping in a reusable plastic bag.
    I think a fair scientific case has been made to say that human behaviour is affecting the climate, but the precise extent of our impact relative to other factors outside of our control is still the subject of genuine debate.

    It's probably academic anyway. As I said in a post a few weeks ago, even if the human race can reverse climate change by altering its behaviour, I don't believe we're capable of the collective, worldwide, ongoing, co-ordinated action to do it. Whether it's by misadventure or natural design (probably both), I think we're a finite species.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    I think a fair scientific case has been made to say that human behaviour is affecting the climate, but the precise extent of our impact relative to other factors outside of our control is still the subject of genuine debate.

    It's probably academic anyway. As I said in a post a few weeks ago, even if the human race can reverse climate change by altering its behaviour, I don't believe we're capable of the collective, worldwide, ongoing, co-ordinated action to do it. Whether it's by misadventure or natural design (probably both), I think we're a finite species.
    I couldn't agree more - good post fella!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    I think a fair scientific case has been made to say that human behaviour is affecting the climate, but the precise extent of our impact relative to other factors outside of our control is still the subject of genuine debate.

    It's probably academic anyway. As I said in a post a few weeks ago, even if the human race can reverse climate change by altering its behaviour, I don't believe we're capable of the collective, worldwide, ongoing, co-ordinated action to do it. Whether it's by misadventure or natural design (probably both), I think we're a finite species.
    Very true. I think it's sensible to look at it from the viewpoint that mankind without a doubt has had a massive impact on the planets environment and ecosystems and that has likely contributed to climate change as we are part of the cycle of nature. Also on the other hand it would be extremely arrogant of mankind to assume that we are all so powerful beings that we have the ability to single-handedly change our climate for better or worse. Nature teaches us every day that we are powerless against it's force.

    Nature works in a fine balance and mankind may have rocked the boat so to speak in terms of the balance, and once we are gone nature will continue to do what it does to maintain it's balance again. There have and always will be fluctuations and changes from what maybe perceived to be the norm and cycles within the earth's climate.

    Sadly for mankind our inherent characteristics of individual or small group survival, greed, lack of collective spirit, competitiveness and fight or flight responses and lack of togetherness at the highest level as one group of countries and nations to tackle the issue as a human race will mean that we will never be able to work in unison to make a collective change. All we can do is as individuals is try and play our own part by having an awareness of the issues and assess our own environmental impacts and use of resources and make informed decisions that may go a small way in doing our bit to help.

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    The current warming of the planet is down to human activity and itís only humans who can do anything about it. We need to because itís bad and itís causing a lot of suffering and expense.

    Iím not sure why thatís hard to understand or why anyone would disagree with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    The current warming of the planet is down to human activity and itís only humans who can do anything about it. We need to because itís bad and itís causing a lot of suffering and expense.

    Iím not sure why thatís hard to understand or why anyone would disagree with it.
    Because humans have curious minds, some more curious than others, many people like to see hard evidence and definitive proof before making such statements of certainty, it is just not in some of our natures to accept things and form our opinions just because it is what we heard first or loudest.

    also some don't care very much because we are selfish

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
    The current warming of the planet is down to human activity and it’s only humans who can do anything about it. We need to because it’s bad and it’s causing a lot of suffering and expense.

    I’m not sure why that’s hard to understand or why anyone would disagree with it.
    To be fair, I'm not sure there are that many people who do disagree with it.

    As Lullapie said above, the planet went through phases of heating and cooling prior to human existence so it would be naÔve to think that we are the only factor influencing our climate. However, the relative speed with which the current process of global warming is taking place underpins the scientific argument that human activity is a significant contributing and accelerating factor, and with the world population growing, this impact is only likely to increase.

    We'll continue to try various ways to avert extinction, probably with increasing desperation, from personal decisions like reducing our use of plastic bags through to huge international agreements, but ultimately we'll fail. Human beings are inherently self-destructive, probably by natural design. I think deep down most of us know our destiny regardless of how slowly or quickly it materialises, but unsurprisingly we have trouble accepting our mortality on a personal or collective level. Nobody wants to confront the fact that we're going to die and there's nothing we can do about it, even though we know as individuals that it's a fact.

    We desperately need to feel we're doing something on a personal level to control or avert our fate, so we engage in understandable and laudable but ultimately futile activities and gestures to convince ourselves that we're doing something, rather than nothing. I'm not saying that this reaction is wrong, indeed it may be the best and only coping mechanism we've got, but in the final analysis, it won't change the outcome.

    I'm sorry to sound so fatalistic but I just see these things in a pretty matter-of-fact sort of way. We ain't going to be here forever. A comet might sort us all out in the meantime!

    Talking of futile activities and gestures to feel we control things, this thread was originally about the General Election!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    Talking of futile activities and gestures to feel we control things, this thread was originally about the General Election!
    I'm glad you pointed that out!

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    Just a couple more polls published over last few days.

    YouGov sampled 1,619 people on 12 November - CON 42% | LAB 28% | LD 15% | BRX 4% | GRN 4%.

    ICM sampled 2,035 people on 11th November - CON 39% | LAB 31% | LD 15% | BRX 8% | GRN 3%.

    I will wait until something more substantial is published before updating any charts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncfcog View Post
    Just a couple more polls published over last few days.

    YouGov sampled 1,619 people on 12 November - CON 42% | LAB 28% | LD 15% | BRX 4% | GRN 4%.

    ICM sampled 2,035 people on 11th November - CON 39% | LAB 31% | LD 15% | BRX 8% | GRN 3%.

    I will wait until something more substantial is published before updating any charts.
    If the margins of error of the polls in recent elections and the EU referendum are applied, this could point to a small Labour majority come 12th December!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    If the margins of error of the polls in recent elections and the EU referendum are applied, this could point to a small Labour majority come 12th December!
    Reckon it's going to go to the wire!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackal2 View Post
    Talking of futile activities and gestures to feel we control things, this thread was originally about the General Election!
    On that subject , I see hospital waiting times are at the worst ever level. Doesn't matter, people will still give the party that caused this a majority at the election because getting Brexit done is far more important. Let's get Brexit done, then the waiting lists can get even longer.

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