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    Remaining Games

    The rest of our games in 2019. I have put beside each one the number of points we might reasonably expect. Significantly fewer than 15, and I think TM would find it difficult to defend his position with the owners at the start of the new window.

    Barnsley (H) - 3
    Brentford (H) - 1
    Stoke (A) - 1
    Derby (H) - 3
    Swansea (A) - 0
    Bristol City (A) - 0
    Wigan (H) – 3
    Birmingham (H) - 3
    Huddersfield (A) – 1
    TOTAL: 15.

    To be honest, I suspect that if we lose to Barnsley, TM's departure might be sooner, rather than later.

    All the same, I don't go for the end-of-the-world scenario. If the games on the weekend after the break go with form, the four teams above us could all easily lose. If we do beat Barnsley, we would move up to 14th in that scenario!
    Obviously, predictions like that are futile, but my point is that things can change very quickly in the Championship.
    QPR and Charlton had very good runs, but have both now gone four game without a win.
    We outplayed Reading, and they have just taken 10 points out of 12.
    This unpredictability is the main reason I tend to steer clear of both gloom and counting my chickens!
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    Anything less than 3 points against Barnsley will probably result in the end for Tony mowbray.
    Had we not beaten Sheffield Wednesday then I am sure it would of been over for him yesterday.
    The Barnsley game even at this early stage of the season,takes the on the saying of a 6 pointer.

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    Another thing
    We have lenihan back after the international break.
    I would be inclined to play 3 at the back with 2 wing backs.
    We need defensive security at the moment over trying to be gun ho.
    A few 1-0 wins would do us the power of good in what has been largely a poor period for us.

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    Just concerned how many mangers out there would take this job. And how many will be available once it does get to the point we need someone. Another of the good ones has gone to Stoke. Warnock leaving Cardiff will mean they get someone in. Who would be around our level. Now I get why Hughton has been quiet, he will be just biding his time to step into the Soutampton job. I can also see Boro changing managers soon aswell. Bit hopefully that means Downing goes back as a coach. Possibly with Mowbray? Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinrover View Post
    Another thing
    We have lenihan back after the international break.
    I would be inclined to play 3 at the back with 2 wing backs.
    We need defensive security at the moment over trying to be gun ho.
    A few 1-0 wins would do us the power of good in what has been largely a poor period for us.
    Couldn't agree more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seventwo View Post
    Couldn't agree more!
    Me too.
    I think we are in a minority, though.
    Before Saturday's game, lots of supporters were calling for "attack, attack, attack!" - as if there was a realistic possibility of us winning 4-3.
    Seriously - with the current toothlessness of our forwards?
    Personally, I always thought nil-nil was a much more likely scenario, if we were going to get anything out of the game at all!
    Robin, I take it you are thinking of Tosin, Lenihan and Williams as the back three.
    What about the wing-backs?
    I suppose it's two from Nyambe, Bennett, Bell, Downing and Rankin-Costello.
    The flaw is, I have no idea about the best choices for the front two at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Me too.
    I think we are in a minority, though.
    Before Saturday's game, lots of supporters were calling for "attack, attack, attack!" - as if there was a realistic possibility of us winning 4-3.
    Seriously - with the current toothlessness of our forwards?
    Personally, I always thought nil-nil was a much more likely scenario, if we were going to get anything out of the game at all!
    Robin, I take it you are thinking of Tosin, Lenihan and Williams as the back three.
    What about the wing-backs?
    I suppose it's two from Nyambe, Bennett, Bell, Downing and Rankin-Costello.
    The flaw is, I have no idea about the best choices for the front two at the moment.
    Leeds have struggled all season on breaking teams down. If you go to Elland road and set up with 2 solid banks of 4 and 5 they will struggle to get behind. Injuries severely prohibit us from playing our best defence, but there was nothing stoppingus from going there to get a point, which would have been useful.
    Downing who had been really poor vrs Sheff Wed was playing for some reason. But the forwards get blamed for beinh toothless? Don't keep playing Graham, don't keep playing SG up front on his own. Its not that complicated. If Dack ision poor form, drop him. Don't keep playing Downing every week, as we are going nowhere with him. Dont keep playing Bennett, as he was marking Nyambe for the winning goal.
    Its ok bemoaning luck, just set up in a way that gives us a chance of getting something. Keep making the same mistakes every week, expect the same results.
    Itys pretty simple with the front 2, play another forward with SG. Give it a go.
    We should have changed to 3-5-2 about 2 months ago. But we are not flexible. We are rigidly set up, half the team is already picked regardless of form and the system is wrong, not working and is a problem.
    Luck, injuries thats out of our control. Playing old, out of form players such as Graham, Bennett and Downing every week is in our own control. If we where playing well, bad luck and injuries would be sidelined. You only every get those things when everything else is going wrong.

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    We need to get back to basics and get some clean sheets.
    Nothing more important at the moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seventwo View Post
    We need to get back to basics and get some clean sheets.
    Nothing more important at the moment.
    We have Lenihan back by the Barnsley game. And that will help with that.
    The one similarity from last seasons bad run, and this seasons, Lenihan being out injured for a spell. We always miss him.

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    Champs - Downing has made the second highest total in the Championship of what the stats people call "successful key passes".

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Champs - Downing has made the second highest total in the Championship of what the stats people call "successful key passes".
    So I am advised by people. Talk about one of the most pointless stats Iíve ever heard.
    We barley create anything, week after week we sit and say the same thing. Our attack is toothless.
    We havenít scored many goals, nor are we missing tonnes of chances.
    Then you see this stat? Look at our GD. Look at how many chances we created on Sat. Away at Birmingham we had one shot all night. Downing played in all the games. How about forward passes that create chances? Iíd imagine Holbty has more in his 2 games than most. But there wonít be a stat for that.
    Downing takes all our set pieces, and for the large part they are poor. We actually scored our first goal on Sat from a corner!! Itís Nov. These are reason we are 5 points off the bottom 3. And this stat means nothing.

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    That stat does NOT refer to passes in general. It refers to "key passes" - those which are "instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity". That is the official definition, so your argument does not stack up. Downing has made 36 of those. The top score (in the Championship) is 37.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    That stat does NOT refer to passes in general. It refers to "key passes" - those which are "instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity". That is the official definition, so your argument does not stack up. Downing has made 36 of those. The top score (in the Championship) is 37.
    So as I thought. It means absolutely nothing.

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    I have only missed a few games this season. And at no point have we missed tonnes of chances that this stat claims. We hardly score. We rarely create anything. And are terrible from set pieces. One of the main reasons we are struggling. I'd love to see these 36 chances we missed? SG never gets any service at all. And when DG plays, he barley touches the ball.

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    We are entering a critical period for this club.
    Win the next 2 and we get the confidence to push on,lose them and we are in a dogfight.
    The players if they value and respect mowbray,will really need to knuckle down and try.
    The Barnsley game will be scrappy and rough but I believe we will win this one and turn our season around

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    Quote Originally Posted by champs95 View Post
    I have only missed a few games this season. And at no point have we missed tonnes of chances that this stat claims. We hardly score. We rarely create anything. And are terrible from set pieces. One of the main reasons we are struggling. I'd love to see these 36 chances we missed? SG never gets any service at all. And when DG plays, he barley touches the ball.
    I don't reckon it refers to chances. What the player who receives the pass does with it is another matter altogether!
    Still, this stuff is very carefully compiled and it can't just be dismissed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robinrover View Post
    We are entering a critical period for this club.
    Win the next 2 and we get the confidence to push on,lose them and we are in a dogfight.
    The players if they value and respect mowbray,will really need to knuckle down and try.
    The Barnsley game will be scrappy and rough but I believe we will win this one and turn our season around
    Robin - I don't think TM would survive two more losses in a row, and - you're right - the players must know that.
    We'll see against Barnsley, although I honestly don't think it's been a case of lack of effort up to now. To me, lack of confidence, and the extreme inconsistency of our forward-group have been the two key factors in our bad run.
    Our defence has been badly disrupted by injury and has looked shaky, but the forwards have rarely taken the pressure off the back four by creating and taking chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    I don't reckon it refers to chances. What the player who receives the pass does with it is another matter altogether!
    Still, this stuff is very carefully compiled and it can't just be dismissed.
    Are you sure you understand it Aucks? In a whole world of pointless useless stats that mean nothing at all, this one tops the lot. Are we actually saying this one paced lad is way way way above the rest of the mere mortals?
    He cant even put in a half decent cross for a corner. In free play, I rarley see him put a decent ball into the box, surley the only relevant stat is how many chances he creates, in the position he plays? Its embarrassing. His free kicks are woeful. I wonder why the stats for that aren't available?

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    Quote Originally Posted by champs95 View Post
    Are you sure you understand it Aucks? In a whole world of pointless useless stats that mean nothing at all, this one tops the lot. Are we actually saying this one paced lad is way way way above the rest of the mere mortals?
    He cant even put in a half decent cross for a corner. In free play, I rarley see him put a decent ball into the box, surley the only relevant stat is how many chances he creates, in the position he plays? Its embarrassing. His free kicks are woeful. I wonder why the stats for that aren't available?
    Champs - they are not making it up! Why would they?
    These firms pay people to go through every game, minute by minute.
    This statistic does NOT include unthreatening, sideways or backwards passes.
    As I wrote before, their definition of a 'key' pass is is one which is "instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity".
    This is a simple statistical measurement - arrived at objectively by professionals with no axe to grind. The fact that you don't like it doesn't invalidate it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AucklandRover View Post
    Champs - they are not making it up! Why would they?
    These firms pay people to go through every game, minute by minute.
    This statistic does NOT include unthreatening, sideways or backwards passes.
    As I wrote before, their definition of a 'key' pass is is one which is "instrumental in creating a goal-scoring opportunity".
    This is a simple statistical measurement - arrived at objectively by professionals with no axe to grind. The fact that you don't like it doesn't invalidate it!
    So which players are receiving these balls in that are being missed,? As the stats from the game tells is we had 1 shot last week? That happens quite alot. It did at Birmgham? We ever seem to create anything. It's often said, SG was quiet today but had no service. You could say the same about Graham. And I don't see Armstrong missing many? Dack is too deep these days to be missing many. So where does this tally up with match stayed. Shots on target, corners. We are one of the lowest scorers in the Champ. And never seem to miss many chances. We never seem to create many. Match stats last week said one shot on target. So where does this stat fit into a game of football? It's not one I've ever heard in my life before. And I've played semi professional football. And can tell you it's not something relevant to a football match.

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