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    Cocu and the future

    Read part of an interview with Cocu in "Voetbal International" whilst waiting at the physio. It appears PCs remit is not just the first team. He says, in the interview that he is involved in all footballing aspects from the age groups to the 1st XI.

    He is impressed with what the club has built over the past few years in infrastructure, coaching, youth scouting. He finds the Moor Farm complex amazing and as good as anything he has seen anywhere.

    Basically he is responsible for taking the Academy even further forward than it already is.

    Didn't have time to finish the article but I will be given the mag in 2 weeks on my next visit. I will precis the rest of it for you then.

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    https://www.vi.nl/pro/overig/reporta...re_pro_article

    this may save you 2 weeks waiting. I dont speak Cloggie, nor I suspect do many, but presume you can translate for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadAmster View Post
    Read part of an interview with Cocu in "Voetbal International" whilst waiting at the physio. It appears PCs remit is not just the first team. He says, in the interview that he is involved in all footballing aspects from the age groups to the 1st XI.

    He is impressed with what the club has built over the past few years in infrastructure, coaching, youth scouting. He finds the Moor Farm complex amazing and as good as anything he has seen anywhere.

    Basically he is responsible for taking the Academy even further forward than it already is.

    Didn't have time to finish the article but I will be given the mag in 2 weeks on my next visit. I will precis the rest of it for you then.
    He say in front of me last week at Loughborough for the U23vFeynord match We have the DYS there tomorrow night bet he's there for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geoff Parkstone View Post
    https://www.vi.nl/pro/overig/reporta...re_pro_article

    this may save you 2 weeks waiting. I dont speak Cloggie, nor I suspect do many, but presume you can translate for us
    You ask, we deliver.....


    After his successful period at PSV and a brief adventure at Fenerbahçe, Phillip Cocu (49) wants to make his new Derby County club ready for the future. This is a challenging job for a variety of reasons. Cocu has a lot to say about that.


    Suddenly the door of his office swings open. Grinning broadly, Chris van der Weerden and Twan Scheepers come in from the adjoining trainer's room. Until recently, the Dutch assistants had to walk around if they wanted to speak to Phillip Cocu. "I immediately placed a connecting door after my arrival," says Cocu. "So that we can easily walk in and out of each other’s offices." Dutch trainers do this ferquently abroad. They remove barriers from traditional hierarchy. Cocu is the boss, but an accessible one. "I told the players that they can always approach me. I don't think that's common in England because of the respect for the manager. But I value short communication lines and direct contact. "

    Just before that, he gave me a tour of the Derby County training complex, in the rolling suburbs of the city. History, present and future live together in harmony on the vast terrain. At the reception, black and white photos and old trophies act as silent witnesses of 135 years of club history. Behind this, no less than seven**** closely shaved training fields extend, intended for the Senior squads, youth squads and the Academy. We walk past a recovery room with three swimming pools, peek in at the immense gym and through an indoor hall and study rooms we arrive at the players' restaurant. The complex has Premier League style, but Derby County has not been active at that level for a while. The last season at the highest level was 2007/08, when The Rams relegated to the Championship with eleven points. The last attempt at promotion failed last season, led by current Chelsea coach Frank Lampard, in the final of the play-offs. In the two hundred million euro game, Aston Villa won 2-1, partly due to the opening goal of former Ajax striker Anwar El Ghazi.
    The tour is also an exploration of the Cocu’s entire kingdom. The former coach of PSV and Fenerbahçe has a wide range of duties at his new club. The dizzying flows of money in English top football gives the financially less fortunate clubs two choices. You can try to catch up with the moneyed clubs, with the threat of a free fall if those investments do not pay off quickly in the form of promotion. Or you just take a moment and invest in a foundation of talent development, hoping to be able to take two steps forward later. Derby County chose the latter. With Cocu as the designer of the project.

    Amazement
    Last summer, club owner Mel Morris and director Stephen Pearce managed to seduce him to take this remarkable step. "I entered the conversation with an open mind," says Cocu, after arranging a round of tea. "In the first place because I find such meetings enriching, whether it leads to collaboration or not. But we immediately spent hours talking about football and how their club was organized. Not a second on money matters. The longer I thought about it afterwards, the more I realized that I could work at Derby County in a way that really appeals to me. With short communication lines to the club management, as I was used to at PSV with Marcel Brands and Toon Gerbrands. Also with an extensive range of tasks that goes beyond just the first team. Although that is of course the main part. "His choice for a medium-sized club in the second tier in England surprised the outside world. After their agreement on a four-year contract, chairman Morris also admitted that he was pleasantly surprised that he had managed to snare the Dutch coach. The English businessman referred to the rich past of Cocu at PSV, Barcelona and the Dutch national team, to his period as assistant coach of World Cup finalist olland in 2010 and to his three national titles as PSV's head coach.

    Cocu himself finds it, first and foremost, a well-considered choice, based on work content and perspective. "If you're always sceptical, you can't get started," he countered. "Every club and every job has its pros and cons. I like to have extensive conversations and get information as broadly as possible. And then I decide based on the dominant feeling. I don't want to be afraid of taking on challenges in football. It should not be too predictable. If you cannot or do not want to participate in the big money, then you will have to come up with good policy. I think that is a great challenge. We want to set up a basis that will allow Derby County to really maintain itself if promotion to the Premier League is realised. That requires a little more patience, but in the long term it is better. Of course we hope to reach the play-offs again. But perhaps the medium term is even more important than the short term. We are in a transition phase, and the club management has clearly communicated that. Our fans now mainly want us to see that players and staff get the most out of themselves. That we are worth the club logo. "

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    Part 2

    Within the training, his attention is mainly focused on the superstructure. "I am involved with Under-15 up to the first team," he explains. "For example with the physical development. Sprint work, jump power, agility, endurance, things like that. But also responsiveness and cognitive development. Based on the pillars that we work with in the ast team squad, but then adapted to the various age groups. We are also aligning the selection and training at a tactical level, based on a 4-3-3 playing method. With different interpretations of that system, so that talents develop in different ways. Also in youth scouting, in the medical field and in the use of data, we apply a common thread throughout the club. With the emphasis on individual development and therefore less on the results of the youth teams. "

    "By the way, I want to emphasize that the academy was already at a good level when I came here. So it is not that I am turning things upside down. In the Netherlands we tend to think that only our way leads to Rome. That is nonsense of course. Other football countries have already amply proven that you can be successful in different ways. I do not believe in copying a philosophy from one country to another. Here English football culture is the framework with which I mix my own vision. In consultation with the head of training, Darren Wassall, I want to form a module that allows Derby County to move forward for a long time. How are you trained, what is the playing method? What do we demand from our players mentally, physically, technically and tactically? Which lifestyle is included? By including those core values in the training, they must ultimately become visible in the first team. "
    Progression
    Then he points to a notepad on the wall in his office, on which the names of his players are written. "Currently, six talents aged from seven**** to nine**** participate in the 1st team training. For talents, I use a three-year step-by-step plan. The first year is mostly training together and maybe playing a cup match. The second year you must be able to participate in a number of competitions. And the third year determines whether you break through. In the meantime, new training has to come through from the study programme. To do that properly, you have to make a long-term commitment with each other. That is why we have agreed on a four-year contract. Later in my career I will also do a job where I fully concentrate on the first team and nothing else. But at the moment I find this combination very appealing. "

    At PSV, Cocu also had a significant share in the renewed focus on training. Before he took up the position of head coach in 2013, in a conversation with then-technical director Marcel Brands, he emphasized the need for investment in the youth branch. This was also an important point in his presentation to the supervisory board. They weren’t deaf. "It's nice to see that PSV has increasingly become a training club," Cocu observes. "Everyone at the club has had their share in it. And in the end it is the players themselves who ensure that a breakthrough occurs in the first team. If those boys are later sold for a good price, it will bring financial benefits to the entire club. That's the beauty of it: you collectively create a situation that benefits all involved. The investments in training have made PSV a richer club, and I certainly mean that in sports terms too. If you play at PSV in youth now, you truly believe that there is a path to the first team. That perspective is crucial. "

    In the Netherlands we tend to think that our way is the only way.....

    After five years as head coach in Eindhoven, Cocu decided he ahd done as much as he could. "I had done everything I wanted at PSV," he looks back on his departure from the Netherlands. "People tend to count only the years that I was head coach. But after I stopped playing football in 2008, I immediately started working as a youth coach at the club. After ten years in various positions, I felt that I was ready for the next step. It had nothing to do with PSV; I still love the club, I follow them closely. But I am a type that wants to be triggered all the time. In my final year as a PSV trainer, I no longer had to work out the preparation on paper. Because I already knew what that should look like. Those are the moments you start thinking. I want to constantly develop myself as a coach. Look up circumstances that I don't know yet. Then you can hit a wall once or twice. That is part of life. "

    In that respect, Cocu was was in seventh heaven, during his first foreign adventure as a coach. At Fenerbahçe, the curtain fell after four months and only three victories in fif**** official matches. "The story from the club leadership was really good," he explains his choice for the Turkish top club last year. "Fenerbahçe wanted to implement structural changes, with professionalisation of youth education and a different scouting method so that the budget could be reduced and a healthy basis could be established. In practice, it turned out to be too early for such a process. The new chairman also faced many surprises. The financial situation turned out to be less healthy than expected and the transfer ban had major consequences. Important players had to be sold. At the same time we were looking to successfully restructure the club but you also have to perform in the short term so that you can build in the long term. By the way, I don't just want to point to the circumstances. I also have to look at myself. No matter how difficult the situation was, we could have brought more kept the peace with better results. That did not happen.'

    Afterwards wild stories about unrest within his staff appeared in the Turkish media. "It was blown up out of all proportion." Cocu responds. "Furthermore, I can't do much with those stories. Let me put it this way: I have noticed that emotions can rise quickly in Turkey. A day there had many peaks and troughs. And at some point the club management took measures. I remained pretty calm under it myself. I can have emotions and fire in me, but in general I have a stable character. That's how I now look back on that period. It has not become what I had hoped for, but I can look at myself in the mirror. Simply because there I did everything that was in my power. I learned a lot in those four months. "


    Despite his experiences in Istanbul, Cocu continues to hold the same position on the composition of his staff. "If I start working somewhere, I want to be able to fill in two key positions myself. Then I look at how everyone functions in the technical organization. If there is no reason to replace people, I will continue with the existing staff. Those people know the club and what's good is good. " One thing is certain: wherever Cocu goes, Chris van der Weerden also goes there. They have been a trainer’s pair since PSV U18s, after having played together at Vitesse and PSV at the end of the last century. "We are friends and know each other through and through," explains Cocu. "And more importantly: in our time as youth trainers at PSV we developed a way of working together. For me, a new club isn’t on if Chris could not come along. With Shay Given there was already an excellent goalkeeper coach, so we left it that way. I did, however, include Twan Scheepers in the position he also held at PSV: as a bridge between the youth academy and the A-selection. In addition, Twan provides specialist training to our attackers. And with Liam Rosenior, the club has put forward a talented English coach, with whom we seem to click well. "

    In recent weeks, the Derby County staff has had to brace themselves. And still does. Last month the club was rattled by a car accident following a team outing involving two cars and three players. After the crash, both drivers, forwards Tom Lawrence and Mason Bennett, appeared to have drunk too much. Passenger Richard Keogh, captain of the team, suffered a serious knee injury in the accident. Lawrence and Bennett have meanwhile been taken to their club again, after having paid a six-week salary fine. Plus Cocu's requirement that they provide community service for at least 80 hours at various charities and partners associated with the club, such as Drink Aware. In addition, the court sentenced both players to community service for 180 hours and a two-year driving ban. Keogh was fired last week by Derby County, a decision against which the Irish international is appealing. "Because of the ongoing procedures, I cannot comment on the measures taken and the difference between him and the other two players," sighs Cocu. "As a club you have to act as decisively as possible in these situations. But this is a very complicated issue. Everyone in the outside world has an opinion about it and it has a significant impact on the player’s group. I put a lot of time and energy into discussions about this with my players. Collectively, individually, in groups. My main task is to keep the player’s focus on performances. Keogh had played at this club since 2012 sothere is a close bond with fellow players, club staff and fans. Once the legal part is completed, we will provide clarity to the outside world. Hopefully we can then draw a line under this situation. "

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    Text split as posts are limited to 10,000 characters.........Part 3

    A day later, in the home duel with Middlesbrough, it becomes clear how much the events have kept the supporters busy. At the statue of club legends Brian Clough and Peter Taylor, in the fan store, at the smoky sausage stalls, in the stands of Pride Park: the names of the three players involved are buzzing everywhere. And it was Lawrence who would be the man of the match that afternoon. With two goals, the Wales international gives his club the much needed victory in a phase of the competition in which the results of The Rams are very mixed. There is also Dutch input in the field, with the clean sheet from goalkeeper Kelle Roos. Florian Jozefzoon, who arrived in the East Midlands a year earlier than Cocu, wasn’t selected and watched from the stands. After the hard-fought victory, Cocu is a satisfied man. Two weeks earlier, his team had also won against Wigan Athletic (1-0), but the game was below par. A week later it was the other way around: good performance nut nevertheless a defeat, 2-0 at Hull City. Against Middlesbrough, his team combined dynamic combination football with end product. In addition to goal scorer Lawrence, Jayden Bogle, a 19-year-old right back with large lungs and an urge to attack, stands out. He provided the assist for the second goal on the right flank, after the opening goal was achieved through a series of combinations along the axis of the field. That variation in attack designs is exactly what Cocu wants to see in his 4-2-3-1 system. "In addition, I am happy with the intensity with which my team played," says the coach. "In the midst of the ongoing commotion about the car accident, that is a very positive sign."
    The differences in the League remain small. Derby County is now fif****th, but the gap with the sixth place that leads to the play-offs for promotion is only four points. In goal scoring, the departure of Liverpool mercenary Harry Wilson and Chelsea mercenary Mason Mount in particular is felt. In two months that problem may have been remedied, with the spectacular arrival of Wayne Rooney at Pride Park. The 34-year-old star recently said goodbye to the American DC United and signed with Derby County for a year and a half. Later this month Rooney reports to the club, the new striker is available to play from the beginning of January.

    "I was suddenly asked what I would think if Wayne Rooney came to the club," says Cocu. "My response was immediately: Please. His football qualities are beyond dispute. In addition, Wayne is a top professional on the pitch, who has increasingly begun to delve into all aspects of football. I am talking about tactics, group dynamics, physical guidance; real trainer things. It can be of great value for the development of our players. And he wants to get a glimpse of the trainer’s profession. Performing on the field is definitely one, but in addition Wayne wants to work with me. We spoke extensively and he appears to be very interested in Dutch football. How we train talents, the football style we are known for, match-related training. I know that Wayne was fascinated by the working method of Louis van Gaal at Manchester United. You can compare his double role with my return to PSV. Then I was 33 years old and I came above all as a player. But Guus Hiddink involved me in many things that have to do with coaching. If you do this properly it’s a double edged sword. It is great for the entire club that a celebrity like Rooney is coming here. "

    The approaching arrival of the all-time top scorer from Manchester United and the English national team, is already causing promotional fever in Derby and surroundings. Cocu knows how that works and does not worry. In his early years as head coach, he could lie awake from work, but he has left that time behind him. "I have found the balance between focus on work and relaxation," he says. "I really had to learn that. As a starting head coach a lot comes at you. While you are still developing. That completely controlled my thoughts. These days I recognize aspects of the profession from earlier periods. And I have developed my own vision. I know what I want and how you sometimes have to hand things over to people in your staff. That development has given me a certain peace. "

    Cocu has learned to put things into perspective, certainly after a tumor was removed from his back four and a half years ago. "Everything you experience is your personality," he now knows. "Good and bad times alternate in life. It rarely blows you away. All those different experiences have made me think, I am now in a mode that is pleasant for me and for my immediate environment. At the club I work with ambition, sharpness and hunger. As soon as I get home, I want to be there for people who are important to me privately. That balance is healthy. It took a while before I had all of my ducks in a row. They say for good reason that being a trainer is a matter of experience. That actually applies to all of life. You experience, you learn, you sometimes fall down and then you get up again. Always slightly the wiser. That is why I started this job with confidence. The bar must be high. I'd rather jump over a high bar with ease than over a low bar with ease. I don't care about the easy way. "

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    MA thanks for that fascinating reading We need to stick with him and hopefully success will follow

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    Quote Originally Posted by mistaram View Post
    MA thanks for that fascinating reading We need to stick with him and hopefully success will follow
    Certainly looks like he is here for the long haul.

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    Rumour has it Cocu could be on his way out?

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    Allegedly, Feyenoord sniffing round!!

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