OT Poll - How do you intend to vote at the General election?

[DaveSmithRules]

Okay, let's have a reasoned debate.

Gump - which bit do you think is nonsense? The selling off of the NHS?

Notso - Can you just explain what you mean without trying to bring in pc bollox?

[Notsohumblepie]

Pc Bollox=Reasoned debate ? I may have to think about that one.

[DaveSmithRules]

Okay, but back to your point below...

Reality overtaken by delusion ! London Labour wouldn't recognise a working man, sorry person, if it , ( note the use of the politically correct androgynous pronoun) bit them on their ***ually neutral arse

I think what you're trying to say here (and i'm honestly not 100% sure because it's not written in a way that's easy to read) is that:
1) You think i'm somehow deluded in my previous comment
2) You believe 'London' Labour don't recognise working men
3) Some other stuff about androgyny and ***ual neutrality, which doesn't offer much to the debate as far as I can see

In return i'd say:

1) I too think you may be deluded.

2) I don't really know loads about 'London' Labour tbh. Although David Lammy (Tottenham MP) always comes across okay. But I think anyone who believes Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg etc understand 'working men' better than any single labour politician you may care to mention, past or present is deluded. And they're the competition. Do you really think those two care about working class people at all?

3) I don't really understand why you've mentioned androgyny and ***ual neutrality in this thread tbh. But live and let live if that's your thing mate.

[countygump]

Okay, let's have a reasoned debate.

Gump - which bit do you think is nonsense? The selling off of the NHS?

Notso - Can you just explain what you mean without trying to bring in pc bollox?

There's abso NO evidence of it, despite what Labour might say. Since it's inception, I wonder how many years the Tories have been in charge of it as compared to Labour? Well it's still there, despite Labour piling billions of debt onto it with PFI, which is one of the reasons it struggles.

[DaveSmithRules]

Okay. Well there's are few things i'd cite as 'evidence' personally of the trade discussions already taking place. It's pretty clear that the US are asking for "full market access" to our healthcare as part of the trade deal between Boris and Trump. Do you dispute that?

I'm posting this link from the BBC, which I think most people would agree is not exactly a Labour supporting source in this election.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50572502

Have you read point 1?

[DaveSmithRules]

Here's what the Guardian made of it, but I guess I can't expect anyone voting Tory to believe that anymore than i'd believe The Sun or The Mail.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...hs-up-for-sale

[drillerpie]

I think anyone who believes Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees-Mogg etc understand 'working men' better than any single labour politician you may care to mention, past or present is deluded.

I genuinely think Johnson, and even Farage for that matter, understand the working man better than most Labour politicians.

Whether they have the working man's best interests at heart is extremely debatable, but they certainly know who they're dealing with and know which strings to pull. Hence we are where we are.

[DaveSmithRules]

I genuinely think Johnson, and even Farage for that matter, understand the working man better than most Labour politicians.

Whether they have the working man's best interests at heart is extremely debatable, but they certainly know who they're dealing with and know which strings to pull. Hence we are where we are.

That's a very interesting point. And it's certainly hard to dispute about Farage. Like it or not, he's the most influential British politician of the decade.

But Johnson? I just think he's got more money behind his party to blitz lies on social and traditional media. And obviously the support of the print media owned by Rupert Murdoch and Jonathan Harmsworth, the 4th Viscount Rothermere helps his party massively. Yet people seem to lap it all up. I don't get it. Tbh it's less support for Boris that they offer than a constant stream of bile against any Tory opposition. Corbyn was mauled from the beginning.

I know that i just distrust any newspaper (or news source) aimed at the 'working man' which is owned by billionaires.

And I also can't trust this prime minister born as 'Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson' who decided to instead go by his middle name to appeal to the common man. The charade is that obvious!

[DaveSmithRules]

PS - I realise i've posted a few things in a row here. But has anyone been reading what the Financial Times have been making of all this? There's some really interesting stuff (both for and against) Corbyn's manifesto in there. And that's not exactly a left-wing paper either.

Worth reading both of these:
- https://www.ft.com/content/e1028dda-...4-3669401ba76f
- https://www.ft.com/content/dc17d7ee-...8-ca4456540ea6

For working people on incomes of less than 70-80k a year each, I think a massive opportunity will be missed when 'Boris' inevitably gets back into power on 13 December. You'd never read about this stuff in The Sun or The Mail because it's these kind of policies which will bite their owners and sponsors in the arse massively. But personally i'd like to see the wealth divide even up a little.

[dam617]

There's abso NO evidence of it, despite what Labour might say. Since it's inception, I wonder how many years the Tories have been in charge of it as compared to Labour? Well it's still there, despite Labour piling billions of debt onto it with PFI, which is one of the reasons it struggles.

You mentioned PFI once but I think you got away with it.

No one's mentioned it again...................well, the Corblimey fans haven't.

Labour wasn't it? That ++++ Burnham?
Whatever happened to him? I reckon he started an electrical business charging hospitals £60 to change a lightbulb.
He turns up in his limo from the Mayor's office.

Champaign Socialists - dontcha just despise them?