OT Poll - How do you intend to vote at the General election?

[sidders]

... as Snobhead 1 continues with his miserable tone of doom - criticism of everyone - as ever appearing to seek perfect solutions but offering no solutions, perhaps we should offer him tablets, a gun or plastic bag so that he can end it all. After all, who would want to live in a land run by the puppet Marxist with their policy of throwing money at everything; they still believe in the politics of envy. Have you noticed that none of the media interviews have dared label him and his cronies directly as Marxists. Instead, left of centre labour has capitulated to go along with the plot hoping to keep their noses in the trough. Talking of pork, its funny how the anti-muslim jibe against the Tories really only gained momentum when Liebour couldn't contain the anti semitic Left within the party. What is sad is that large numbers of younger voters may vote for the Steptoe shambles; they've never experienced the results of those who lie about how they will handle power. Perhaps it would do them good to experience that; they would never vote Liebour again, would they. Imperfect as he may be, I would sooner see the buffoon in no. 10 than the pacifist, terrorist loving liar.

Another ignorant gitt who thinks if you drop the word Marxist everyone runs and hides. Have you ever read one word of Marx yourself, Black Bess? I doubt it.
I will recommend to you 'Why Marx Was Right' by Terry Eagleton, one of the country's leading intellectuals. Just google the book and its writer and prepare to be educated.
I have taken the trouble to read several of the writers who 'inform' capitalism in order to develop a balanced POV. I challenge you, o horse-faced one, to tell me any one central idea of Karl Marx with which you disagree and give the reasons for your rejection.

[dam617]

Yes, it's easy to cheat in order to come out on top.

Very few do it better than Boris.

Is he a big fan of Postal Voting in blocks too?

We've just had some Tory campaign leaflets delivered on our Close by someone who looked very similar to the Government Chief Whip.
I was going to collar him on his way back - he is our MP after all - but when he returned I couldn't be certain.
He was very red-faced and going like the clappers.
Ever seen someone famous and thought 'is it or isn't it'?
Anyway, I didn't bother, he is a Remoaner anyway - I remembered the saying - 'if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing'.

Pity there's not more people like me.

[Elite_Pie]

I remembered the saying - 'if you have nothing nice to say, then say nothing'.

Have you ever heard the saying "if you have nothing worthwhile to say, then say nothing".

Thought it might save you a bit of time.

[BigFatPie]

But I do better polls.

Your polls are magnificent. I was waiting for the ‘who’s the biggest **** on this board, one but then I remembered you only get 4 options.

[dam617]

Have you ever heard the saying "if you have nothing worthwhile to say, then say nothing".

Thought it might save you a bit of time.

Yes I have.
I'm surprised that you have considering you spend all day on here.

[TheBlackHorse]

... ok Snobhead 2, apart from your ill-mannered opening line, 'you not as smart as you think' (that's a quote from Benny Hill, your kind of thesp). KM believe everyone was equal. This fails immediately as required bureaucracy takes over to run production; as proven consistently by the wastelands that are former commie dictatorships.

[TheBlackHorse]

... Snhd 2 ... further ... just because you read a few books doesn't make you intelligent. Now sod off ...

[Elite_Pie]

Yes I have.
I'm surprised that you have considering you spend all day on here.

Wrong, because I popped over to your board to catch up on all the posts made in the last 4 months. Guess how many there were?

(Clue: the answer is less than one.)

[sidders]

... ok Snobhead 2, apart from your ill-mannered opening line, 'you not as smart as you think' (that's a quote from Benny Hill, your kind of thesp). KM believe everyone was equal. This fails immediately as required bureaucracy takes over to run production; as proven consistently by the wastelands that are former commie dictatorships.

Not only are you ignorant in manners and understanding but you have not yet learned to master your second language. I presume English is your second language. It couldn't possibly be your native tongue, could it? Could it? Could it? Oh my gawd.

[Skatorna]

Another ignorant gitt who thinks if you drop the word Marxist everyone runs and hides. Have you ever read one word of Marx yourself, Black Bess? I doubt it.
I will recommend to you 'Why Marx Was Right' by Terry Eagleton, one of the country's leading intellectuals. Just google the book and its writer and prepare to be educated.
I have taken the trouble to read several of the writers who 'inform' capitalism in order to develop a balanced POV. I challenge you, o horse-faced one, to tell me any one central idea of Karl Marx with which you disagree and give the reasons for your rejection.

How about the Labour Theory of Value, which Alfred Marshall effortlessly picked apart well over 100 years ago? Marx's Theories are inherently ignorant of the sacrifice of the capitalist/investor, as well as the drivers of pricing and value. He only cares about one groups labour, and not the means by which their labour is able to be applied in the environment. He is not concerned with the Prime Mover - only with the dominoes further down the line; but without the Prime Mover there is applied labour. History shows that the capitalist makes in the very least a slightly better Prime Mover than the state, as the selfishness of the capitalist means that there must be some cooperation in order to not be beaten by the competition who may well put them out of business. The state doesn't have to endure competition, and therefore needs not reward their labourers. Moreover, without the motivator of profit, the Prime Mover is less able to innovate and create a better product. A comparison of Eastern Bloc automobiles with Western Automobiles is surely the most obvious example of this.

How about the irrationality of socialist markets? Virtually all the historical evidence we have proves that centrally controlled and calculated prices are a failure, and that in fact, the free market does determine the most appropriate prices for a product (note: a FREE market, not a regulated one). This is also at its core a fallacy and logical inconsistency - all it does is shift who decides the worth of someones labour from the capitalist to the state, and removing the freedom of workers to bargain and negotiate their renumeration away from a proximate source to an authoritarian one. It destroys the bourgeois and replaces them with technocrats and a political class.

The intellectual base doesn't work either; and Engels attempts at clarifying this seems to make it more confusing. Von Mises paraphrases it best, "In the beginning there are the 'material productive forces', i.e., the technological equipment of human productive efforts, the tools and machines. No question concerning their origin is permitted; they are, that is all; we must assume that they are dropped from heaven.". Marx literally taught that the defining characteristic of humanity was the means of production - not culture, not religion, not social interactions, not cooperation - and that to be free they must seize the means of production.... by giving it all to the state to control - an action that makes literally no one free.

The only reason we still talk about Marxism is simply because no where near enough people have actually read what he wrote and taken 5 minutes to evaluate what has happened when states have attempted to implement it. If they had, he would be utterly irrelevant. I used to self-describe as Marxist until I actually tackled his work.