OT Poll - How do you intend to vote at the General election?

[AltyPie]

Apparently it's been decided that the next Labour leader should be female. So instead of choosing the most competent, charismatic candidate with the suitable characteristics they've decided to go quota filling again.

That is exactly the kind of politics that got them into this mess. Wouldn't be surprised if they keep Dianne Abbott on the front bench as well, just to hammer home the point that they don't get it.

Old habits die hard, but religions are even harder to eradicate. Better be careful Driller, you’ll find yourself being treated as an apostate for questioning the divinity of Identity Politics like that. It’s going to be interesting to see what changes come about in the Left after this election. Will enough, like you, be able to accept now that some of their sacred cows are just a recipe for electoral doom?

[drillerpie]

Old habits die hard, but religions are even harder to eradicate. Better be careful Driller, you’ll find yourself being treated as an apostate for questioning the divinity of Identity Politics like that. It’s going to be interesting to see what changes come about in the Left after this election. Will enough, like you, be able to accept now that some of their sacred cows are just a recipe for electoral doom?

Probably worth pointing out for the nth time that I've never voted Labour in my life and far from it being a 'sacred cow' I've certainly never been a fan of identity politics.

I haven't had a post-election epiphany, I wrote before the election that the Conservatives' biggest victory was making Corbyn toxic (more so than was fair in my opinion, although I think he was very badly advised too).

I often get called a socialist and a Marxist on here because this site is very much oriented to the right. You might have seen me object when someone on here calls for the extermination of all Muslims or boasts about laughing when Muslims are ethnically cleansed but that doesn't make me a woke activist, just a normal decent person IMO.

Anyway yes it will be interesting to see what happens. It will also be interesting to see to what extent it was Corbyn and to what extent it was the policies and general attitudes of the leadership that were putting people off.

[i961pie]

I think they have the time, but I just wonder if they have the inclination. The lessons to be learned from this defeat for Labour couldn't have been made any clearer, but the early signs from the top aren't encouraging. Hopefully the more moderate side of the party will make them see sense, but politics is a strange animal which is why we've ended up with Boris.

I watched Stephen Kinnock on breakfast tv this morning he spoke very sensibly. He didn't just blame brexit for Labours defeat.
Poor leadership, not dealing with anti semitism properly, a manifesto that was a Xmas wish list that was popular but the public new it couldn't be funded. And dealing with the UK has a whole and not just the London area, he said we have lost support North of Watford.
He also said he would like to see a woman leader.

[seriouspie]

I watched Stephen Kinnock on breakfast tv this morning he spoke very sensibly. He didn't just blame brexit for Labours defeat.
Poor leadership, not dealing with anti semitism properly, a manifesto that was a Xmas wish list that was popular but the public new it couldn't be funded. And dealing with the UK has a whole and not just the London area, he said we have lost support North of Watford.
He also said he would like to see a woman leader.

I saw him as well and thought thank Christ he's not standing ...... this guy could be a real threat to Boris in the future. But hopefully the LW mob will put Rebecca Long Bailey or 'Trying to be glamorous' Rayner in charge so Boris can rip them to shreds at the dispatch box. That is if he can understand their gutteral dialects.