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    Quote Originally Posted by crazyfists View Post
    Ha ha slack is right, how many times do we buy someone who's meant to be good and then he goes ****. Then he leaves and goes good again. We're doomed ha ha. Isn't there a curse on the ground?
    As someone who would walk under a ladder, bet on number 13 at the casino, and has no belief at all in superstition, a curse on Notts County is still the best explanation I can come up with. I think slack is spot on, it seems that there is a principle that we can't seem to shake off.

    Where Notts are concerned, if it can go wrong, it will go wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elite_Pie View Post
    As someone who would walk under a ladder, bet on number 13 at the casino, and has no belief at all in superstition, a curse on Notts County is still the best explanation I can come up with. I think slack is spot on, it seems that there is a principle that we can't seem to shake off.

    Where Notts are concerned, if it can go wrong, it will go wrong.
    Yeah.

    And why does it always seem to be us that buck the natural trend?

    We get promoted after a storming season. All the punters say "watch out for Notts, they were real quality last season in division X, they will have real momentum..." We all know what happens next - we struggle.

    When we get relegated, the punters say "watch out for Notts - surely they will have too much quality for division Y..." We all know what happens next - we struggle.

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    The issue for me ( ironic I know) is the ground we play in. I would like someone to do a bit of research on our home win % say 20 years before we knocked down all the stands and since and if nobody wants to I will probably do it myself when I get time. Football Radar can then consider that stat! Our home form bar the odd season has been an absolute shambles. Seems to me that the rebuilt Meadow Lane is a far easier place to get a result than the dilapidated old one pre Pavis. The ground is a bit soleless and far too big lets be honest with ourselves. Our chances of ever playing Championship football on a regular basis are pretty slim. Yes its our home etc etc etc...I know I dont get too many games but I watch most of them.

    Meadlow Lane is a soft touch and has been for many many years bar Munto season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark_Ross View Post
    Yeah.

    And why does it always seem to be us that buck the natural trend?

    We get promoted after a storming season. All the punters say "watch out for Notts, they were real quality last season in division X, they will have real momentum..." We all know what happens next - we struggle.

    When we get relegated, the punters say "watch out for Notts - surely they will have too much quality for division Y..." We all know what happens next - we struggle.
    Absolutely. In fact, what happened to Kevin Nolan sums this up perfectly. He saves us from relegation, gets us into the playoffs with an average squad, and brings the whole club together for the first time in ages. Then he spends big over the summer, making what everyone thought were quality signings. We start the season as favourites, and what happens? We're bottom after a few games, Nolan is sacked, and we end up getting relegated.

    I know I said it before, but that whole situation just sums us up perfectly. Most other clubs in that situation would have just got promoted, or at worst had an average (and disappointing) midtable campaign. But no, not us.

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    The funny thing is there has only been one constant factor, Owd Wojjer is right to highlight zennism as a cure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie View Post
    The issue for me ( ironic I know) is the ground we play in. I would like someone to do a bit of research on our home win % say 20 years before we knocked down all the stands and since and if nobody wants to I will probably do it myself when I get time. Football Radar can then consider that stat! Our home form bar the odd season has been an absolute shambles. Seems to me that the rebuilt Meadow Lane is a far easier place to get a result than the dilapidated old one pre Pavis. The ground is a bit soleless and far too big lets be honest with ourselves. Our chances of ever playing Championship football on a regular basis are pretty slim. Yes its our home etc etc etc...I know I dont get too many games but I watch most of them.

    Meadlow Lane is a soft touch and has been for many many years bar Munto season.
    Queensland, I’ll save you the bother. I totted up the W/D/L home record for the 27 years since the ground was redeveloped and the preceding 27 years when it was the decrepit but much loved old stadium. I took 1992/93 as the start of the new stadium, as that’s when three-quarters of the ground had been transformed.
    I added the numbers up in my head, so they not be 100% accurate (but hope they are).

    So, from 1992 to the end of the 2019 season, our home record was:

    W - 250
    D - 171
    L - 200

    And from 1965 to 1992, the record was:

    W - 295
    D - 166
    L - 132

    Obviously, we didn’t play the same number of games in each 27-year spell because we had quite a few seasons (about a dozen) in the earlier spell when we only played 21 home games a season.

    I’ll let someone else do the percentages, but the 68 fewer defeats in the first spell seems quite a big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nw6pie View Post
    Queensland, I’ll save you the bother. I totted up the W/D/L home record for the 27 years since the ground was redeveloped and the preceding 27 years when it was the decrepit but much loved old stadium. I took 1992/93 as the start of the new stadium, as that’s when three-quarters of the ground had been transformed.
    I added the numbers up in my head, so they not be 100% accurate (but hope they are).

    So, from 1992 to the end of the 2019 season, our home record was:

    W - 250
    D - 171
    L - 200

    And from 1965 to 1992, the record was:

    W - 295
    D - 166
    L - 132

    Obviously, we didn’t play the same number of games in each 27-year spell because we had quite a few seasons (about a dozen) in the earlier spell when we only played 21 home games a season.

    I’ll let someone else do the percentages, but the 68 fewer defeats in the first spell seems quite a big difference.
    Thanks so much for doing this. Its been inkling at me for a long time and I never got round to it. It is a considerable difference. Of course I am sure people will argue there could be other factors at play but frankly our home form since the redevelopment is awful over a very lengthy period of time. Like I said Meadow Lane is a soft touch and this goes some way to at least justifying my point if not proving it. I really dont think that big expansive ground does us any favours at all. it is not in the least bit intimidating for away teams and we cannot create a partisan atmosphere. Now if course it would be really really interesting to compare the away form over the same period to see if there is the same level of deterioration. I will try and take a look next week if you dont have the time. Really really interesting.

    I will try and look at the % in the next few days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie View Post
    Thanks so much for doing this. Its been inkling at me for a long time and I never got round to it. It is a considerable difference. Of course I am sure people will argue there could be other factors at play but frankly our home form since the redevelopment is awful over a very lengthy period of time. Like I said Meadow Lane is a soft touch and this goes some way to at least justifying my point if not proving it. I really dont think that big expansive ground does us any favours at all. it is not in the least bit intimidating for away teams and we cannot create a partisan atmosphere. Now if course it would be really really interesting to compare the away form over the same period to see if there is the same level of deterioration. I will try and take a look next week if you dont have the time. Really really interesting.

    I will try and look at the % in the next few days.
    Bugger it I did the % stuff now

    92 -2019

    W 40.2%
    D 27.5%
    L 32.3%

    65-92
    W 49.7%
    D 28%
    L 22.2%

    Might be .1% out on last stat due to rounding but the difference is massive. Need away stats now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by queenslandpie View Post
    Bugger it I did the % stuff now

    92 -2019

    W 40.2%
    D 27.5%
    L 32.3%

    65-92
    W 49.7%
    D 28%
    L 22.2%

    Might be .1% out on last stat due to rounding but the difference is massive. Need away stats now.
    Thanks for the percentages. Amazing to see the stats in the 70s when, generally, we were bloody difficult to beat at home - including the 70/71 season when we were unbeaten over all 23 league games (19 wins, 4 draws).

    I’ve never been a big fan of the redeveloped ground, but looking at the stats the overriding sense is that we’ve just had a lot of garbage teams over the past 25 years. Whenever we’ve had a decent side, the home form has been good (we only lost twice at home in Nolan’s only full season - plus that tonking against Coventry).

    The one big difference between the new and old ground for me is that you could still get a great atmosphere in the old Meadow Lane if there were only 3,000 there.

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    When and/or if I have some time I might do some maths and see how our league positions could have been impacted from 92 onwards had we continued with the same home performance stats as 65-92. Basically an increase of 9.5% for home wins would equate to an extra 6.5 points per season (3 pts for a win). An extra 0.5% on home draws would mean an extra 1.15 pts per season so potentially an extra 6-7pts per season from home games.

    Anyway, theiving *******s have been in me shed again so I've got some cameras to install before I head off to the match . . . I'll be back later!

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