Reply With QuoteCan't someone found an organisation without wishing to be it's leader?Originally Posted by SwalePie
Alan Hardy didn't found Notts, he owned it, I suppose you could say he led Notts to relegation but it must depend upon your definition of leader.
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Leaders are also often founders or creators of organisations or hierarchies, thus making them the leader automatically with no promotion involved.
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Can't someone found an organisation without wishing to be it's leader?
Alan Hardy didn't found Notts, he owned it, I suppose you could say he led Notts to relegation but it must depend upon your definition of leader.
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Yes indeed they can. I was commenting on the earlier 'definition' rather than AH in particular.
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In terms of bringing people through the turnstyles, which all previous chairmen would have viewed as a very high priority (if not the number 1 priority), AH was a genius and in that respect showed great leadership. You could say with justification that he was a brilliant leader to begin with but in hindsight he was arguably destined to fail from the outset.
I guess that depends on what was likely to have happened had we got the decisions v Coventry in the play off SF and gone up. If you believe we would have been able to consolidate in the 3rd tier, then you could say he was unlucky and that one result might have changed everything, but if you think we would have got relegated straight back down again, then we probably would have faced a similar outcome, albeit delayed by a year.
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" turnstyles" . Tickled me that.
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Ok Swale, I’ll admit my definition was rather vague.
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I agree. It isn't my definition, I was quoting another post.
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...interesting topic. In modern parlance, leaders are usually one of three types - inventors/designers of a product or system; a marketer/salesman; an accountant/finance specialist. You need all three components to make a company work. On that basis, l guess both Moses and Jesus were salesmen; as were Oliver Cromwell and Churchill. In their own way each had charisma. It's quite unusual to find inventors/engineers with outstanding charisma ... more passion (eg, Barnes Wallis). Similarly, accountants ... that's not normally their role (eg, current BOE, the moose). Just thought that I'd broaden the topic a shade ...
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That may be true in the world of business but coming from an armed forces background the key attributes of a leader for me are honesty,integrity and respect
When you lead by example,give respect and don't play favourites or bend the rules for yourself or others you find that people will follow you and when you have a group of people who trust and respect you and receive the same back they tend to all push in the same direction and when you have people who are all aiming the same way and will run through brick walls for you and each other then there is very little that you cannot get done.
Charisma can be a doube edged sword, it can make people want to follow (often the weaker ones who want to ride the coat tails of someone they see as successful)but for some it can be seen as big headedness or inflated ego and can cause dissent in the ranks, some of the best leaders i have worked for are the strong silent types who listen but are decisive when the moment arrives to be so.
Since leaving the forces i have had no ambition to be a leader in any capacity but i have found myself struggling to respect a lot of those that would call themselves leaders in business, i see a lot of wannabees who are driven more by ego,status,greed/self interest or fear than i do with honesty and integrity, i have had offers and opportunities to move up the ladder over the years but choose to stay below the radar where there tend to be less w@*kers.
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... agree with you 100%, Brid
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