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[Ram59]

Equally...it’s interesting that non of the three of you who have raised this point have come back about the four points I have raised regarding Banks’ behaviour, none of which have exactly ‘hit the headlines’ either.

Whatever the rights and wrongs of both sides don’t you think it’s time to move on?

I think possibly the BBC - along with all news agencies - are currently totally preoccupied with Coronavirus at the moment, whether it be the impact on Care Homes, the Economy or the, relatively unimportant future of football/sport. Maybe a decision regarding an individual who spent a fortune on getting zero MP’s elected is considered trivial in comparison.

If you want to reintroduce the question of ‘Leaving’...there is certainly an important question. Should we go ahead and try and complete our ‘Leave’ negotiations by December?

Call me idealistic...I really couldn’t care less...but to me the only things that really matter for the foreseeable are the World acting together to conquer Covid-19 and putting our people and various societies back together again.

I'm not discussing how much an arse hole is Banks. I'm just pointing out the failings of the electoral commission, which have only now admitted that they were wrong and have acted badly over this affair for 2 years.

Regarding the timing of Brexit and covid, speaking entirely from the EU point of view, I would be thinking that this crisis will take years to sort out in economical terms. The last thing the EU needs, is the distraction of one country being part of the recovery for part of the time. Say we stayed in until the end of 2021, how do you decide how much the UK should contribute to a recovery that could take anything from 5 to 15 years? What help would the UK be entitled to?

[MadAmster]

Chap on a Dutch talk show this week came up with the following:

The World Bank, IMF, ECB will have to free all countries of the extra loans taken out to cover the crisis as no country will ever be able to pay it back. Sounds a good idea to me.

That raises another question. Namely, where did they get all those Trillions from? Did it come from rich banking dynasties or did it just appear, as happens with Quantitive Easing, where the Central Banks give permission to the High Street banks to add a few zeroes to what they "have" to kickstart economies? Basically "money" that doesn't exist. That non existant cash then gets paid back with interest to the backers. They pluck "money" out of thin air and then get "real" money back plus interest. Do any of our financial geniuses know?

[ramAnag]

Don’t get the ‘Star Trek’ reference, Tricky...never watched it, but the World has to act together over this.

It’s utterly pointless for Trump to try and score points of the Chinese and others to start resenting the Germans.

Fact is...we all have to learn from the countries that have handled this crisis best...be that Germany, New Zealand, South Korea, Holland, Greece or even Ireland.

The USA have screwed up big time and our approach has been hit and miss at best. We need to learn from those who have been most successful and work together to provide adequate PPE, testing and vaccines etc. It really is the only way back to something approaching ‘normality’.

Interesting and very valid point from MA.

[Ram59]

Don’t get the ‘Star Trek’ reference, Tricky...never watched it, but the World has to act together over this.

It’s utterly pointless for Trump to try and score points of the Chinese and others to start resenting the Germans.

Fact is...we all have to learn from the countries that have handled this crisis best...be that Germany, New Zealand, South Korea, Holland, Greece or even Ireland.

The USA have screwed up big time and our approach has been hit and miss at best. We need to learn from those who have been most successful and work together to provide adequate PPE, testing and vaccines etc. It really is the only way back to something approaching ‘normality’.

Interesting and very valid point from MA.

Okay let's learn from Germany, let's reduce our foreign aid and NATO contributions down to their level and spend it on building up a stock of PPE. Lesson learnt. 👍

[ramAnag]

Okay let's learn from Germany, let's reduce our foreign aid and NATO contributions down to their level and spend it on building up a stock of PPE. Lesson learnt. ��

We’ve done that one...but if it makes you feel better, take Germany out of it...let’s just accept that we need to learn from the good examples and the World needs to act collectively for once.

[Trickytreesreds]

We’ve done that one...but if it makes you feel better, take Germany out of it...let’s just accept that we need to learn from the good examples and the World needs to act collectively for once.

I'd really love to believe that RA.
But never going to happen. Be it China/USA/Russia/Any Euro country. They may bend, but never will they stop putting their own interests less than first place.

(the star trek reference)
Is exactly that. The United Federation of Planets.
Earth all one government in a plantary alliance with it's set of rules.

(****, that sounds suspiciously like the EU , Verhofstadt thinks he's Captain Kirk )

[mistaram]

Well rather than believe Farage's manic ramblings, lets look at the facts - Banks was properly fined £70K for an overspend in the leave campaign. The Electoral Commission then referred the case to the National Crime Agency as there were considerable doubts about the source of that money. The NCA have concluded that there were no criminal acts.

Mm now I realise as a representative of the " I'm a victim working class white bloke", you are always willing to overlook a rich person whose financial dealings are decidedly dodgy, I mean fair enough, like that other "man of the ordinary people" (NOT!) Farage, their finances and dealings are opaque at best. Obviously they are the sort of people who have the interests of the low paid hard working ordinary bloke at heart aren't they? Well only if your completely deluded and conned by what the right wing media spew out (a media largely funded by tax dodging ex pats!).

In reality, there is likely to have been political pressure on the NCA to avoid looking to hard at the case, it wouldn't do to have any embarassing revelations about Bexit now would it? Much as whilst bemoaning the criminal activities of Russian spies and gangsters, the present government and a number of companies, accountants, lawyers etc. are happy to ignore the source of much of the money thats flowed into the UK over the past decade!!

But of course Thicky you will come back with its all kosher and the EC would not agree a settlement, mm like a big respectable accountancy firm wouldn't sign off the accounts of a business that goes bust literally weeks later? Like Chairmen and Chief execs of banks, or indeed supermarkets like tesco's wouldn't say everything was hunky dory and legal before it becomes apparent its not?

You would have to be either thick, deluded or extremely naive to think that Banks's dealings are squeaky clean I certainly would not be defending him and his ilk even if he supported a cause I was in favour of.

The fact that you are a cheer leader speaks volumes for your principles, morals and view of life, whats sad is that you do not realise these people are not the slightest bit interested in you or the millions you claim think like you.

As I've said before Hitler did wonders for the German economy, but then many who supported him suffered collateral damage!

Swales come of it mate that's being really hard on Banks . He only has 43 limited company's 38registered in Gibraltar and the 5 in South Africa I wonder by that is The same Banks who had 14 meetings with the Russian ambassador in the run up to the Brexit vote ,got on a plane across the pond has a meeting with Trump gets a plane back and the first place he goes to us back to the Russian embassy

[mistaram]

Well that didn't last long.

I thought I was talking about the hypocrisy of the press and establishment, slaughtering someone. Who was then aquitted and no one mentions it?

But hey ho

No you were not just a cheap go at assassinating the BBC as usual

[Trickytreesreds]

No you were not just a cheap go at assassinating the BBC as usual

Errrrrrrrrrrrrrm no.

The BBC are part of it, but did you read my comments or have you made it up in your head?
I did in fact mention the establishment( MAY AND HAMMOND) or did you miss that?
The Guardian revelled in it as well.
But you believe what you want MR , you usually do. xx

[ramAnag]

But you believe what you want MR , you usually do. xx

As opposed to those such as yourself, who choose to believe such reliable sources as Farage, Banks, Robinson, Paul Staines, the Mail, the Express and a variety of right wing internet sites. No bias there then.